Christ as an Angel in Paul

Christian Alexander
Christian Alexander Member Posts: 3,008 ✭✭
edited November 21 in English Forum

I am looking to determine when Paul views Christ as an angel. Can Logos help me determine this? If so how? 

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  • Justin Gatlin
    Justin Gatlin Member Posts: 1,993 ✭✭✭

    Have you done a search for g:angelos INTERSECTS person:Jesus?

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith Member, MVP Posts: 53,066 ✭✭✭✭✭

    when Paul views Christ as an angel.

    I would

    • find all references to Jesus Christ in Paul (search Paul's writings for person:Jesus, scan for those that describe him as a heavenly being in some sense and compare those to Paul's descriptions of angels.)
    • or alternatively start with Gal. 4:14 and read all the commentaries and journal articles you can find on the verse. It might be useful to also read everything you can on the 3 angels Abraham fed who seamlessly morph into God ... read all the Jewish commentary/Talmud passages etc. on that narrative to have a background on some of the interesting potential relationships between God/angels ... 
    • or study the syntax and grammar of apposition as occurs in Gal 4:14...

    and vow to read widely so that you could write this answer yourself. Then prepare to do the work of discovering the answer not reading the answer someone else provides.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • Christian Alexander
    Christian Alexander Member Posts: 3,008 ✭✭

    I tried the search Justin and it did not allow it to work. It said invalid terminology. I am not sure why. Where do I find the Jewish commentary/Talmud passages?

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith Member, MVP Posts: 53,066 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I've answered in your new thread ... it's not good form to create multiple posts on the same topic/issue.

    Your Jewish commentaries are accessed in the same manner as your Christian commentaries. Unless you own the scriptural index to the Talmud (Friedeman, Caleb T., ed. A Scripture Index to Rabbinic Literature. Peabody, MA: Hendrickson Academic, 2021.), search your Talmud for the Bible reference.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith Member, MVP Posts: 53,066 ✭✭✭✭✭

    it did not allow it to work. It said invalid terminology

    After typing g:angelos you have to select the Greek from the dropdown menu. The error message was on the g: 

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith Member, MVP Posts: 53,066 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I am looking to determine when Paul views Christ as an angel.

    First, you need to determine that Paul does view Christ as an angel. This is a minority interpretation and one not required by the grammar (although permitted by the grammar).

    Galatians 4:14 states: "and though my condition was a trial to you, you did not scorn or despise me, but received me as an angel of God, as Christ Jesus."

    Interpretations of this verse vary among theologians and scholars:

    1. Literal Interpretation: Some interpret this verse literally, suggesting that Paul may have been perceived by the Galatians as an actual angel sent by God, or at least in a similar manner to how they would receive an angel. This view emphasizes the sincerity and respect with which the Galatians treated Paul.

    2. Metaphorical Interpretation: Others interpret the mention of Paul being received "as an angel of God" metaphorically, suggesting that the Galatians received him with great reverence and honor, possibly equating his message with divine revelation. In this view, there may not be any direct implication regarding the relationship between Jesus and angels.

    3. Connection to Christ: Some scholars connect this verse to Paul's broader theology regarding the relationship between believers and Christ. They argue that Paul's mention of being received "as Christ Jesus" emphasizes the identification of believers with Christ. In this interpretation, the mention of being received "as an angel of God" could highlight the divine authority with which Paul spoke, possibly drawing parallels between believers' mission and that of angels.

    4. Relationship with Angels: A minority view suggests that this verse might imply a relationship between Jesus and angels. However, this interpretation is less common and may not be supported by the broader context of Galatians or Paul's theology.

    These interpretations reflect various perspectives on the verse's meaning and its implications for the relationship between Jesus and angels, with some focusing more on the immediate context and others on broader theological themes within Paul's writings.

    Choosing option 4 as the interpretation has consequences

    The minority view that Galatians 4:14 speaks of the relationship between Jesus and angels has led to various interpretative consequences for those taking this position. Some of these consequences include:

    1. Christological Implications: Interpreting Galatians 4:14 as referring to the relationship between Jesus and angels can have significant Christological implications. It may suggest a unique or special relationship between Jesus and angels, possibly highlighting Jesus' preeminence over the angelic realm or his divine status.

    2. Angelology: This interpretation can lead to further exploration and development of angelology within Christian theology. It may prompt scholars and theologians to delve deeper into the nature and role of angels in relation to Jesus Christ, as well as their significance in the broader context of salvation history.

    3. Hermeneutical Approach: Taking this minority view may influence one's hermeneutical approach to interpreting biblical texts. It may encourage a more nuanced understanding of the language and symbolism used in the New Testament, prompting scholars to consider the cultural and theological context in which these texts were written.

    4. Theological Debate: Interpretations of Galatians 4:14 can contribute to ongoing theological debates within Christian circles. Those who advocate for this minority view may engage in discussions and debates with others who hold different interpretations, leading to a deeper exploration of biblical exegesis and theological reflection.

    5. Impact on Doctrine: Depending on the significance attributed to this interpretation, it could potentially influence certain doctrinal beliefs within Christian traditions. For example, if interpreted to suggest a unique relationship between Jesus and angels, it may impact understandings of Christology or angelology within specific theological frameworks.

    Overall, while the minority view regarding Galatians 4:14 may not be as prevalent as other interpretations, it still has the potential to shape theological discourse and contribute to the ongoing exploration of biblical texts and Christian doctrine.

    Take these 4 options and for each develop a list of evidence for and evidence against. Review all the evidence from grammars (Exegetical guide), Bible commentaries (Passage Guide) and monographs (collection in Passage Guides). Then look for Biblical theology and Systematic theology sources (Passage Guide) ...even Sermons may provide useful information. You might find it useful to diagram the sentence in the two manners - one for options 1-3, the other for 4.

    Make a list of the consequences and compare the strength of scriptural arguments for the more orthodox views' consequences and for the minority views' consequences. This is a quick and dirty application of belief revision logic and a practice that programmers turn to PROLOG for.

    Again, this is all basic study skills that you should be able to do on your own.  Questions that remain after this work or obvious holes in your information are appropriate to ask the forums for suggestions for additional resource recommendations.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."