I have another idea which might be strange for Faithlife. My idea is if we have to pay 10 USD monthly , it would be good if we could own the features for which we have paid by subscription at the end of the year .
Tes, I thought you were selling a Microsoft Surface Pro based on the title
Sorry , I made a mistake!
I figured, but if it was a Surface Pro, there may have been a lot of interest on here - LOL
it would be good if we could own the features for which we have paid by subscription at the end of the year .
Some things can't be "owned."
You can't "own" internet service. You can't "own" electricity. You can't "own" sewer service.
There are some things which Logos will not be able to allow you to "own."
t would be good if we could own the features for which we have paid by subscription at the end of the year .
Perhaps Logos should let you own the features but without access to the Logos services that make them work. People might understand having to purchase services to make features work better than they are understanding the features being available only by subscription.
t would be good if we could own the features for which we have paid by subscription at the end of the year . Perhaps Logos should let you own the features but without access to the Logos services that make them work. People might understand having to purchase services to make features work better than they are understanding the features being available only by subscription.
We can look at costs of services, but Logos should also consider that many people prefer to own and not have ongoing fees for their product. Rather than putting so many eggs into a basket reliant on subscription/ongoing costs - continue to improve search and other features in ways that do not get tied to AI or other online ongoing costs.....
From what I have been reading from the dissent to subscription model, many would have no problem with the "option" to subscribe to features that would require an ongoing fee, such as AI. The dissent comes more in relation to the subscription being forced onto users whether they desire those features or not - and yes, I said forced - because without any statement from Faithlife that informs us of continued perpetual licensing - as I have shown by Mark's own statement - at some point under the current subscription plan the only choice will be to subscribe for continual access to features we are supposed to own forever.... See Libronix for EOL engine, Sermon File becoming Sermon Importer as well as the Libronix feature posts in the archives for features that were owned and never replaced or replaced as an additional upgrade cost.... That is not what is marketed by Faithlife - "Four years of great value" is not forever.....
So we the users of Logos should not be punished by this subscription model due to bad decisions in house.... If customer feedback were truly a desired position - maybe before putting so much effort into AI, input would have been asked for in advance of that level of investment.... As it hasn't appeared to be highly though of based on forum feedback, they may have saved the investment and prioritized the resources into "offline" features and improvements that could be sold perpetually without ongoing subscriptions.
And.... since it all seems to point to cost/revenue, I'll close another post with the sentiment that turning away sales of any kind and losing long time customers that do have marketing potential to bring in new customers says otherwise. Also, as has been mentioned, the potential of lawsuit if users lose access to their Features that they purchased and were marketed as access forever..... All it takes is Faithlife to stop kicking the can down the road till this fall and actually respond and let us all know if they are going to honor the feedback they have received....
Has anyone that filled out the survey and said they are willing to be contacted, actually been contacted? This is obviously a major issue that is not a positive for the company.... You'd think there would be some level of urgency - not complacency telling concerned customers to wait until this fall on what we were told would always be an investment that could be inherited.... Massive devaluation if tied to forced subscriptions to be able to access paid for features going forward.
Just spoke with Sales and Customer Service via chat - it sounds as though we will not have to wait until fall and there is an upcoming announcement in the works. Hopefully our feedback was taken seriously and both options are offered. I'd prefer to be able to continue supporting the Logos system and promoting it as I have....
So, maybe this announcement will be refreshing for all the customer base.
This sounds better. I am mentally ready for an update but I mostly don't need/want a subscription. I am reasonably sure I have more than enough books already to make good use of AI features.
Has anyone that filled out the survey and said they are willing to be contacted, actually been contacted?
I filled out the survey today and really emphasized the need to have (most) new features available without a subscription. At the end of the survey I scheduled a call for Friday morning, and I will again stress the point.
I also think there needs to be some kind of deal like this. The subscription fees are for new feature development and the ongoing costs of AI, but there has been mention of possibly including Mobile Ed courses or Faithlife TV, so I don't expect Faithlife to credit people 100% of their subscription costs towards buying a non-subscription feature set. I'm thinking maybe 50% would be reasonable. e.g. if I pay $10/month for 5 years, that's $600. I'd be okay with a $300 credit towards a Full Feature Upgrade of the current version if I cancel my subscription.
I'm not really up to speed on how this new thing is supposed to work. If everyone pays the same price to access AI and a set of resources that has been set up to work with AI ... then those people who paid for those same resources are paying again to use them? If so, this is not fair to the loyal customers who have invested a lot of money into the existing product.
AI is a big fad right now. Its a popular buzzword. After a few years people will learn its limitations and see humorous examples of people using it and making dumb mistakes. That's why I hope the AI portion never compromises the ability to use the existing software, offline if desired, without having to contact a server for each search.
It is disappointing to me that Logos is going full steam ahead with AI, when they never finished the mobile apps. The mobile apps still cannot synchronize a Bible text and the audio reading of it, except for a few translations. It cannot do so with Greek or Hebrew.
I also hope Logos does not tie itself to the OpenAI product. Now that Microsoft has bought into it, it will not be open or free from political biases. (Elon Musk is attempting to stop them from hijacking it ... but only time will tell if he will win) Just as with other technologies, AI will likely be controlled by big tech monopolies which are not friendly to Christian beliefs or morality.
I can live without AI. I would be happy if Logos implemented its AI as a separate product or add-on. Or as a web-only service. But if they must build it into the Desktop APP, please do not ruin the desktop app for those who have no use for AI. Make sure there is a functional OFF switch and that the program never loses any of its existing functionality.
I can live without AI.
Depending upon where you draw the line between natural language processing and artificial intelligence, Logos has been using AI for a long time.
No features cost $120 😂😂😂 They’re usually more expensive!
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it would be good if we could own the features for which we have paid by subscription at the end of the year . Some things can't be "owned." You can't "own" internet service. You can't "own" electricity. You can't "own" sewer service. There are some things which Logos will not be able to allow you to "own."
I'm going to play the devil's advocate with this statement.
1) Internet service is technically own-able if you buy servers and IP addresses and whatnot. It is an upfront cost that also requires space.
2) If you have the means to create electricity (water, solar, wind, etc...), you can own it by storing it: A.K.A. batteries.
3) As far as sewer services, it's called a septic tank and nature's way of absorbing the waste.
In other words, anyone if they have the will and the means can own everything you said can't be owned. Technically the same is true for AI: if a company can own it, so can an individual. I would assume the data needed would be quite costly though. The point is: ownership is possible. I think our (post)modern society leads people away from this understanding.
The point is: ownership is possible
Sort of. If you purchase a resource from Logos, you still do not own it. What you own is a legality, not a product. You purchased a legal right to use that product. Someone else still owns it. In fact, many of them Logos doesn't even own.
When it comes to tangible products that you purchase, there are still different types of contracts. Some people purchase a car. But unless you paid cash, you still do not really "own" it. Other people are happy to lease the car. They never own it, but they get a new one every 4 years [H]
The point is: ownership is possible Sort of. If you purchase a resource from Logos, you still do not own it. What you own is a legality, not a product. You purchased a legal right to use that product. Someone else still owns it. In fact, many of them Logos doesn't even own. When it comes to tangible products that you purchase, there are still different types of contracts. Some people purchase a car. But unless you paid cash, you still do not really "own" it. Other people are happy to lease the car. They never own it, but they get a new one every 4 years
When it comes to tangible products that you purchase, there are still different types of contracts. Some people purchase a car. But unless you paid cash, you still do not really "own" it. Other people are happy to lease the car. They never own it, but they get a new one every 4 years
This is bad news. No one has said it up to now. It seems just like rent.
As long as they don’t get ridiculously expensive like MP Seminars, we’ll be just fine! Morris is turning in his grave right now after the monthly subscription price went up to $49.99! And the new guy is boring 🥱 and clearly wants to copy Morris’s words and catch phrases!
Hmm... I can guess where you live it you don't expect this to be heavily regulated.[;)] Mind you, I have a septic system, grew up with a septic system and private well, nearly moved to a ranch where we would have had to provide our own electricity and education (no schools).
If you purchase a resource from Logos, you still do not own it. What you own is a legality, not a product. You purchased a legal right to use that product.
What you purchase, retain, can resell or bequeath is a license.
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