Strong Number On Word Study

NYSERVANT
NYSERVANT Member Posts: 191
edited November 21 in English Forum

Is there a way to customize a word study guide to include the Strong's number?  

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  • Mike Binks
    Mike Binks Member, MVP Posts: 7,428 ✭✭✭

    Is there a way to customize a word study guide to include the Strong's number?  

    I don't think so.

    Why do you feel the need?

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  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton Member, MVP Posts: 35,672 ✭✭✭

    Is there a way to customize a word study guide to include the Strong's number?  

    No.

    If based on Strong's numbers you would only be able to compare KJV bibles and use the few lexicons based on Strong's number.

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  • NYSERVANT
    NYSERVANT Member Posts: 191

    I like to use Vine's for my word studies.  When logos brings me to the resource, it brings me to the main English word, and it would be easier for me to navigate quickly to the right word with the Strong's number.

  • Graham Criddle
    Graham Criddle Member, MVP Posts: 32,436 ✭✭✭

    When logos brings me to the resource, it brings me to the main English word, and it would be easier for me to navigate quickly to the right word with the Strong's number.

    To achieve what I think you are looking for - but in a different way - try this:

    Now when you click a word in your Bible, Vines will be updated to the article based on the underlying lemma.

    It isn't using Strongs numbers to do this, but it does enable you to easily see the relevant Vines entry

    Does this help at all?

    EDIT: The first step - ensuring Vines is your highest prioritised lexicon (apologies I said lectionary before) - is not actually required.

  • DMB
    DMB Member Posts: 13,413 ✭✭✭

    If based on Strong's numbers you would only be able to compare KJV bibles and use the few lexicons based on Strong's number.

    I'm not sure what you meant. All the RI's (didn't check) include Strongs. So, it's broadly usable. Just not BWS-able.

    Just philosophising, Strongs appears to have been a way to bring Biblical words into the wider sphere of Bible study. At the time (rumor), ministers had a much better knowledge of the OL than today. Strongs was an early Logos! And with Logos help, modern expertise will deteriorate even further.

    But I do wonder at the Logosian implied use of OL. In the english realm, it's like mixing 23 ministers' sermons, lesson plans, etc together, than presuming a common semantic usage ... knowing full well, religious meaning is highly variable, and each minister would cringe at the results. But, then greek and hebrew are so much simpler.

     

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  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton Member, MVP Posts: 35,672 ✭✭✭

    If based on Strong's numbers you would only be able to compare KJV bibles and use the few lexicons based on Strong's number.

    I'm not sure what you meant. All the RI's (didn't check) include Strongs. So, it's broadly usable.

    A study of H381 might lead you to think it means "men" with only 2 occurrences in the reverse interlinear (RI) bibles, including the TR bibles. But it has 4 occurrences in the non-Interlinear KJV  as "valiant men" as per the ESL.  H376 ("man"/"men"/"husband") occurs 1701x in the KJV and c. 2196x in the RI's. 

    Both have the same lemma אִישׁ for "man" or "husband".  But the Strong's numbers were defined from the KJV (before reverse interlinears[:)]) and reflected by the ESL.

    EDIT: KJV uses H582 ("man") to make up the count difference (1701 vs 2196), but with a different lemma אֱנׄושׁ!  Hmmm...

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  • NYSERVANT
    NYSERVANT Member Posts: 191

    My question is really more about navigation than the usefulness of Strong's number. I have had Vines set as the prioritized lexicon, and when I select it to read what it has to say on a given word from the Bible Word Study Guide it only brings me to the top article/English word rather than the sub article on the greek word.  The sub-articles have the Strong's in parenthesis and it is a little faster to scroll and confirm what I am looking at quickly using the Strong's number.  

    My takeaway is there is no way to include this number in the Bible Word Study.  Perhaps I can request that Logos update their navigation to bring me right to the word in Vines instead of the heading/english word.  

    I've included a screenshot to show what I am talking about in Vines lexicon

  • DMB
    DMB Member Posts: 13,413 ✭✭✭

    If navigation is indeed the issue, then the problem is somewhere in how Vines is structured, relative to the app code. Prioritizing Vines picks up the greek lemma correctly, but just doesn't go to the actual lemma location.

    "If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.

  • Graham Criddle
    Graham Criddle Member, MVP Posts: 32,436 ✭✭✭

    My takeaway is there is no way to include this number in the Bible Word Study.  Perhaps I can request that Logos update their navigation to bring me right to the word in Vines instead of the heading/english word.

    That is correct for the Bible Word Study Guide but you can still navigate to it from the context menu (if I understand you correctly)

    Right-click a word, select the Strongs number on the left and then choose the lexicon of your choice in the Lookup section on the right. This still might not get you to the exact section you want if there are more than one articles where the same Strongs number is used

  • NYSERVANT
    NYSERVANT Member Posts: 191

    Thanks Graham.  That actually solves it from that menu.  It must be only tagged with the strongs number rather than the actual greek word.  But it's a nice quick way to jump there easier.