New Feature: Insights Sidebar on Desktop
Insights Sidebar brings the most important related books and passages right into your Bible, making them accessible in just a single click.
By bringing the most valuable related passages right into the Bible panel, the Insights Sidebar helps you use Scripture to interpret Scripture and better understand its context. This can, for example, provide background information on Jewish weddings when reading John 2:1-12 or show that 1 Peter 2:25 alludes to Isaiah 53:6.
The Insights Sidebar on Desktop is available to some users today via our early access to Logos Pro subscription. It will be more widely available later in the year.
For more information about Insights Sidebar, visit our support page.
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I think it is exaggerated to claim it as a tool for interpretation. on the sidebar I can only see Faithlife Study Bible and one other book.
Blessings in Christ.
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Thanks Anna for taking the time to share this. I don't have Pro but I can see this sidebar being a useful feature.
Ralph
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Tes said:
I think it is exaggerated to claim it as a tool for interpretation. on the sidebar I can only see Faithlife Study Bible and one other book.
I don't understand. It is designed to give access to two (currently) types of book, a study bible and a commentary (as well as cross-reference information where appropriate). As such it is a tool to help interpretration though clearly not as exhaustive as something like the Passage Guide.
What are your concerns?
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Tes said:
I think it is exaggerated to claim it as a tool for interpretation. on the sidebar I can only see Faithlife Study Bible and one other book.
I had to chuckle at this as tonight for the first time, I actually used the Insights sidebar as a quick way to see the interpretation of a single verse in Luke which I suspected was being used out of context.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Frank Sauer said:
I haven't tested it, but is this pretty much the Passage with cards as its GUI?
It's more designed to be a quick lookup without using the full Passage Guide.
It provides access to a Study Bible (selectable), a Commentary (selectable), and some cross-reference information.
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When I look at the Insights Sidebar.... it comes up with Faithlife Study Bible. When I click the "chevron" " (down arrow).... I get a list of 5 books that I never use. And I cannot type in a book to use as nothing happens when I hit enter.
What am I missing?
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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xnman said:
When I click the "chevron" " (down arrow).... I get a list of 5 books that I never use
You should get a list of up to 20 of your Study Bibles. How many do you own?
Please post a screenshot showing what you are describing.
xnman said:And I cannot type in a book to use as nothing happens when I hit enter.
And on the web app - unlike desktop - there isn't a filter option for selecting books. They can only be selected from the dropdown
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Graham Criddle said:xnman said:
When I click the "chevron" " (down arrow).... I get a list of 5 books that I never use
You should get a list of up to 20 of your Study Bibles. How many do you own?
Looks like I own quite a few. But only 5 books are listed that I never use.
Graham Criddle said:Please post a screenshot showing what you are describing.
xnman said:And I cannot type in a book to use as nothing happens when I hit enter.
And on the web app - unlike desktop - there isn't a filter option for selecting books. They can only be selected from the dropdown
Here's a screen shot.....
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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It should show you all the study Bibles (up to a maximum of 20) that you own, and that have an entry for the current passage.
Can you give a screenshot which shows the missing study Bible(s) open to that passage, and shows this dropdown, so we can try and figure out what's wrong.
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I don't think it's a good decision to start with study Bibles rather than exegetical resources and commentaries or lexicons that one might be able to identify or find out how texts are interpreted.
Blessings in Christ.
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I do not use study Bibles as much as commentaries. They are normally very terse. The suggestion by Tes is seconded. It should show commentaries.
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My first choices are exegetical resources with a detailed analysis of the biblical text I want to understand in its context.
Blessings in Christ.
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Mark Barnes (Logos) said:
It should show you all the study Bibles (up to a maximum of 20) that you own, and that have an entry for the current passage.
Can you give a screenshot which shows the missing study Bible(s) open to that passage, and shows this dropdown, so we can try and figure out what's wrong.
Mark... Thanks. After lots of checking.... It appears I have lots of "Bibles" but not many "Study Bibles" which I think is the problem. I do have bibles with notes... which I would consider "Study Bibles" but not very many.
From this it appears that the Sidebar is looking for "Study Bibles" in particular. And in this "view" of the Sidebar... it's not very practical for people like me. That being if I understand it right.
Edit: if the above is true... I would second Tes suggestion about allowing the Sidebar to maybe have a choice about what it looks for such as 1: Commentaries from my collection. 2. Bibles with Notes from my collection. 3. Bibles from my collection. (My collection = collections I have set up).
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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xnman said:
... but not many "Study Bibles" which I think is the problem. I do have bibles with notes... which I would consider "Study Bibles" but not very many.
You got me beat ... I have one study Bible (downloaded). And my favorites are Bible notes (eg NET).
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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DMB said:xnman said:
... but not many "Study Bibles" which I think is the problem. I do have bibles with notes... which I would consider "Study Bibles" but not very many.
You got me beat ... I have one study Bible (downloaded). And my favorites are Bible notes (eg NET).
Which maybe shows that it takes more resources for me to find out what you already know.... lol [8-|]
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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Is there a way to influence which 20 show up in the drop down, in the case where someone has more than 20 that have the given passage? Does it help to put them in the Priority List, for example?
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Don Awalt said:
Is there a way to influence which 20 show up in the drop down, in the case where someone has more than 20 that have the given passage? Does it help to put them in the Priority List, for example?
It doesn't mean you'll see all of them at once. It means that you can click and replace with another study Bible from the list based on the number of study Bibles you own.
Blessings in Christ.
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Mine appear to be in priority order.Don Awalt said:Is there a way to influence which 20 show up in the drop down
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
Mine appear to be in priority order.
Not for me - I specifically added about 10 of my fave study bibles to the priority list, and none of them show up - in fact random ones are in the list of 20, ones I have never even looked at (I have 65 of type "Study Bible") Mark is this a bug?
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Don Awalt said:
Not for me - I specifically added about 10 of my fave study bibles to the priority list, and none of them show up
In my testing I found that after adding study Bibles to the prioritised list, the Bible needed to be closed and re-opened for the updated prioritised entries to show. And, even then, I had to close / open it a couple of times.
What happens if you open a different Bible - do your prioritised entries show there?
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Yep - either opening a different bible (I did open the same Bible again), or a time elapse of about 30 minutes, and it's working now. Thanks Graham.
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I played with the Insight Sidebar a while today. I find it is 1. Very limiting in it's scope. By that I mean if one doesn't have many "Study Bibles" then it really doesn't work for them. 2. I also find that it is not easy to change the scope of the books that it suggests. I believe they can be changed, but the process is slow and that causes one to think it is misguided and not working. I think I closed and opened Logos about 4 or 5 times before I actually saw any changes to the list and then I only saw 1 change when I had re-prioritized 6.
I hope Logos will open the "Insights Sidebar" up to other books such as Commentaries, dictionaries etc. in which case I believe "Insights Sidebar" will become very popular with many people.
I know we can create a "Layout" with linking to do this... but the "insights Sidebar" appears to be more intuitive to me anyway.
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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xnman said:
up to other books such as Commentaries,
It is deliberately very limited but it includes currently: study Bibles, Bible commentaries, Bible harmonys, and NT use of the OT type resources.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Thanks for the feedback. We're actively working on getting more than 20 resources in these lists (performance is the problem at the moment).
I agree that it would be useful to have some Bible Notes (e.g. NET Bible) in this list. Unfortunately, the Bible Notes resource type is quite an eclectic list. I'll see if I can get that tidied up.
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@Mark Barnes ---I appreciate what you are doing! I think you are making a huge difference in helping Logos to become all that it can be. Thanks!!!
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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Eclectic is an understatement. I still leave my Geneva bible notes on that our dedicated Logos users created years back. A blessing !
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I too get a random order, not honoring priority.
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Is it possible to integrate a [PB] commentary - the great Index of Bible Studies - in the Insights Sidebar?
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NichtnurBibellleser said:
Is it possible to integrate a [PB] commentary - the great Index of Bible Studies - in the Insights Sidebar?
I haven't checked - I don't have that commentary - but I would have expected that if it was prioritsed high enough in your library then it should appear
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Dave Gifford said:
I too get a random order, not honoring priority.
Can you post screenshots showing your prioritisation list and what you see in the sidebar?
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Thanks for the hint. I put it on second place after my preferr bible. It appears under “type: commentary” in my library, but not in the list (of roughly 10 other commentaries to each bible passage I checked) of the Insights Sidebar.
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NichtnurBibellleser said:
Thanks for the hint. I put it on second place after my preferr bible. It appears under “type: commentary” in my library, but not in the list (of roughly 10 other commentaries to each bible passage I checked) of the Insights Sidebar.
Thanks for getting back.
It may be that personal books are not supported and it would be good to get confirmation from Logos on this and, if not, whether this is liable to change.
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The insights toobar has potential. I like the idea as it is faster than using passge guide. However, for the commentary, I cannot find a way to click on the commentary to bring up in a separate window more information from that commentary. Is that possible to do?
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Mark said:
The insights toobar has potential. I like the idea as it is faster than using passge guide. However, for the commentary, I cannot find a way to click on the commentary to bring up in a separate window more information from that commentary. Is that possible to do?
Try clicking on the title of the commentary.
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I see that now. I want to suggest the ability to click on the photo also because the title does not appear easily in a small space. But I do see now how to click on the title. Thanks.
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Ok... I need some help. Here is a screenshot of my "Prioritized Books"
And here is a list of books that appear in my "Insights drop down list".
Questions:
1. How come none of my books show in the list?
2. How come the "Insights drop down list" doesn't have more books in it that the 6?
What am I missing?
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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Do you have any Study Bibles prioritized? Do you have more Study Bibles in your library than the ones showing up in the second image?
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xnman said:
What am I missing?
Yasmin's questions are good ones.
Another way of checking this is to use this string type:"study bible" in the box at the top of the Library window.
This will show all the Study Bibles you have - it is only these that you will see in the first section of the Insights Sidebar - you will see commentaries in the second
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@Yasmin and @ Graham
You've answered my questions. I found out I am "study bible poor" lol. Thanks to both of you!
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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