BUG: Missing Search Result in NA28 - Mark 14:22

The following search should return Mark 14:22 along with Mark 14:24, but in the NA28 (and the NA28 from the German Bible Society) it doesn't. Search finds it in other Greek bibles I have.

lemma.g:οὗτος BEFORE 4 CHARS lemma.g:εἰμί (see below, I searched in Mark 14)

I also noticed that my OpenText bible doesn't show vv. 22 or 24, so I get no results in this bible when I search Mark 14.

Changing the search to the following fixes the problem for both NA28 bibles, but not for OpenText:

lemma.g:οὗτος BEFORE 1 WORD lemma.g:εἰμί

Can someone explain what's causing this? Are the footnotes/sigla in the text interfering with the search function? Is Search counting the footnotes as characters?

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NB.Mick

Are the footnotes/sigla in the text interfering with the search function?

It seems so - BEFORE 5 CHARS finds both verses.

Since you seem to search for words next to each other, it seems advisable to search for adjacent words rather than a minimum number of characters apart.

Kiyah

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1298465#Comment_1298465

Are the footnotes/sigla in the text interfering with the search function?

It seems so - BEFORE 5 CHARS finds both verses.

Since you seem to search for words next to each other, it seems advisable to search for adjacent words rather than a minimum number of characters apart.

BEFORE 4 CHARS was the search automatically generated by Logos when you highlight the two words in Greek and click search.

I normally would not use a CHARS search if I'm doing a proximity search manually, I would normally use the WORDS operator. But CHARS is the search Logos constructs automatically, so you would hope and wish it worked consistently within the same resource and across resources that meet the search criteria.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1298468#Comment_1298468

This came up a while back. Staff responded (can't find it ... maybe Rick at the time?). Anyway at the time, char counts included indicators.

Kiyah

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1298469#Comment_1298469

This came up a while back. Staff responded (can't find it ... maybe Rick at the time?). Anyway at the time, char counts included indicators.

Bummer. So you have to make sure you type in your own search and not use the one automatically constructed by Logos, which kind of defeats the purpose of having automatically constructed searches.

Andrew Batishko

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1298473#Comment_1298473

not use the one automatically constructed by Logos

Where in the application was this search suggested for you?

Kiyah

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1298477#Comment_1298477

not use the one automatically constructed by Logos

Where in the application was this search suggested for you?

When I select the words 'τοῦτό ἐστιν' in Mark 14:22 in the NA28 and click 'Search' from the Selection menu, it constructs the search:

lemma.g:οὗτος BEFORE 4 CHARS lemma.g:εἰμί

EDIT: I meant to add that even though I selected these words to search on from Mark 14:22, that verse is not included in the search results. But Mark 14:24 is included. I'm wondering if that is because of the sigla on the word 'ἐστιν' in v22 which is not present in v24.

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1298478#Comment_1298478

The automatically-suggested search is not good. Try:

lemma.g:οὗτος BEFORE 1 WORDS lemma.g:εἰμί

(There is a reason for this, and it is that a CHARS search tends to be better on average across most morph texts, particularly Hebrew. But for most Greek manuscripts, WORDS will work better and I would recommend using it. I'll bring this up to the team.)