Ecumenical Councils data set
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Somehow, I missed this being done or at least I have no recollection of testing it. Can anyone point me in the right direction?
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I'm not sure why it's not offered as a stand alone product but its included in packages like the Verbum 10 Full Feature Upgrade.
https://www.logos.com/product/228483/verbum-10-full-feature-upgrade
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I don't find any documentation which is where I'd expect to see any new search options; I don't see any new tool. So, knowing it's listed in a download doesn't get me far.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Kyle, how is it used? There is no dataset manual for it? I never heard of it either.
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When I saw MJ's post on this, I ran a search on Council of Trent and Council of Chalcedon - seems to open a pretty well done Factbook.... Not sure if that is the extent of the Dataset, but has a nice starting point of information.
Also if you choose the Topic Study Guide option for the Council, it opens a nice layout for said Council that you search.Logos 10 - OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Windows 11, Android 16 & Android 14
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I found that the Search recognizes EcumenicalCouncils as a Label but I get no hits in my library.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
I found that the Search recognizes EcumenicalCouncils as a Label but I get no hits in my library.
topic:"Ecumenical Council" should get hits.
Dave
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Dave Hooton said:
topic:"Ecumenical Council" should get hits.
Right but aren't they all things that we got prior to the new dataset? It's the undocumented and unfindable new dataset that I'm interested in.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:Dave Hooton said:
topic:"Ecumenical Council" should get hits.
Right but aren't they all things that we got prior to the new dataset? It's the undocumented and unfindable new dataset that I'm interested in.
I did not have success finding a label EcumenicalCouncils, but did find canonsOfTheEcumenicalCouncils and got results for canonsOfTheEcumenicalCouncils:"Council of Chalcedon" (type the datatype name with a colon to get suggestions).
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Dave Hooton said:
but did find canonsOfTheEcumenicalCouncils
Yes, I was aware of that datatype from Factbook. But my starting point was the marking of done on a FeedBear request for an ecumenical council dataset with a number of suggested attributes. It caught my attention because it was labeled "done" and I had absolutely no recollection of seeing or testing it. So, after being shown it was included in L10 packages, I've become obsesses with finding it ... I'm not keen of paying for undocumented features that no one seems to be able to find any evidence of.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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You can find the resource Ecumenical Councils by Jessica Parks in your library.
From there it gets accessed primarily through Factbook pages. e.g. The main article for the Factbook entry for Fourth Lateran Council is data from this resource and features a summary of the outcome of the council, who recognizes the council, topics discussed, heresies addressed, opponents to the council, ruling popes, as well as another half dozen other categories.0 -
Thanks Kyle
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Kyle G. Anderson said:
You can find the resource Ecumenical Councils by Jessica Parks in your library.
From there it gets accessed primarily through Factbook pages. e.g. The main article for the Factbook entry for Fourth Lateran Council is data from this resource and features a summary of the outcome of the council, who recognizes the council, topics discussed, heresies addressed, opponents to the council, ruling popes, as well as another half dozen other categories.Why is that book not accessed by canonsOfTheEcumenicalCouncils:?
Dave
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Dave Hooton said:Kyle G. Anderson said:
You can find the resource Ecumenical Councils by Jessica Parks in your library.
From there it gets accessed primarily through Factbook pages. e.g. The main article for the Factbook entry for Fourth Lateran Council is data from this resource and features a summary of the outcome of the council, who recognizes the council, topics discussed, heresies addressed, opponents to the council, ruling popes, as well as another half dozen other categories.Why is that book not accessed by canonsOfTheEcumenicalCouncils:?
Good question. We made the decision to associate this with Factbook pages as opposed to data type references. I can understand why we did this as the resource isn't a clear cut example of when use data types like the Canons of the Ecumenical Council. That being said, I can also see why it would be beneficial.
I've made a case to investigate this further because I don't have a perfect solution right now.
FWIW this is a known short coming of our data modeling. Over the years we've made hundreds of bespoke data solutions to solve specific problems without working through a system of how to unify them when the refer to the same thing (e.g. First Council of Nicea). This is a problem we're actively working and will continue to be working on over the next couple of years.0 -
Kyle G. Anderson said:
This is a problem we're actively working and will continue to be working on over the next couple of years.
Thank you - the lack of a cohesive data model has been apparent. I'm glad to hear it is being worked on.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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