I found something called "Logos Max (early access) for $34.99 when looking at what collections the LRCs were in. What is Logos Max?
Logos has previously indicated that Logos Max will likely be the highest of three subscription tiers available in the fall, along with Logos Pro and Logos Premium.
How about posting the link where you found it? Thanks!
DAL
How about posting the link where you found it? Thanks! DAL
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How about posting the link where you found it? Thanks! DAL https://www.logos.com/early-access/faq?utm_campaign=promo-earlyaccess&utm_source=sfmc&utm_medium=email&utm_content=05282024_Logos_ENG_EN_Subscription-Comms-VIPs&utm_term=https%3a%2f%2flogos.com%2fearly-access%2ffaq&utm_id=211051&sfmc_id=38902612
Thanks! I didn’t see any prices, though. Oh well, for now I’m good with Logos Pro. Depending on features and resources I’ll see if I jump to Logos Max.
That's correct. As part of our gradual expansion of early access, Logos Max and Logos Premium are now available to select customers.
FWIW, there are no NEW features in Logos Max that are not also in Logos Pro. Right now, the difference between the two packages is the number of books included (500 vs 400), and a bunch of advanced original language features previously included in the Logos 10 full feature set.
If the three tiers are now available for early access, would it be possible to see what features are in each tier? I am currently subscribed in the Pro version, but don't know what is even included in it (other than AI and such). I am mostly interested in what language features will not be available anymore if I remained on Pro. Even knowing what is in my current Pro version would be helpful.
Unlike many, I don't see a problem with subscription as long as the price doesn't get too high for what I need.
This information should be displayed more prominently; I would not know otherwise that I would not get any additional features with Max despite the steep price difference. The extra books are not compelling.
This looks like a very good deal for new customers and may be attractive to people who are fully onboard the AI bandwagon. For established customers and those with large libraries (I'd classify my own as medium-sized), it is the opposite.
, the difference between the two packages is the number of books included (500 vs 400), and a bunch of advanced original language features previously included in the Logos 10 full feature set.
I think I see where this train is heading now.
When I looked at the books in pro, I found that I already owned most of them. I’m fairly certain the same would be true with the additional 100 here.
I fail to see why I should pay to rent books or features that I have already paid To purchase?
Where is the $5/month plan for those who already paid for all of the resources and features being rented?
The ideal would be to have a dynamic price for the subscription. Otherwise, there would be no motivation to rent something that you own
Dynamic pricing is complicated for subscriptions because we frequently add features and updates. That would mean the dynamic price would be constantly changing.
So, instead, we're offering a substantial discount to L10 owners. We don't have pricing finalized yet, but pricing for L10 owners might start at below $5 for the cheapest tier. As you know, the third tier (Logos Pro) is $10/month for L10 owners. Logos Max will be a bit higher than that.
a bit higher could start from $10:50,
So, instead, we're offering a substantial discount to L10 owners. We don't have pricing finalized yet, but pricing for L10 owners might start at below $5 for the cheapest tier. As you know, the third tier (Logos Pro) is $10/month for L10 owners. Logos Max will be a bit higher than that. a bit higher could start from $10:50,
Good one, Tes!!
Changing dynamic price would not bother me. Logos made it in prepub and it works great and everyone is happy.
X = Renting Only Features (like AI) that can't be purchased
Y = Features that could be purchased, like L10 Features set, and hopefully L11 (I hope you are listening people)
Z = Books
If someone pays $35 for Max (X+Y+Z), then for someone it would be fair to pay something like (X- $Base Price + Y & Z - Under Dynamic Pricing)
I am ok to rent X but I want to own Y & Z and I am not willing to pay for them twice
Logos Max will be a bit higher than that.
$12.99/month for people who own the L10 full-feature set.
Logos Max will be a bit higher than that. $12.99/month for people who own the L10 full-feature set.
Do Faithlife Connect subscribers need to buy the feature set to get that price or will I be able to transition to Logos Max from LN?
I'm not sure of all the details yet, but that may depend on how long you've been a Connect subscriber for. We recognize that long-term Connect subscribers have invested as much as those who have regularly bought feature set upgrades.
Is there a yearly payment with discount?
Do Faithlife Connect subscribers need to buy the feature set to get that price or will I be able to transition to Logos Max from LN? I'm not sure of all the details yet, but that may depend on how long you've been a Connect subscriber for. We recognize that long-term Connect subscribers have invested as much as those who have regularly bought feature set upgrades.
I was an early adopter on Logos Now and have stayed with it ever since, so I would be disappointed if I were penalized and not at least given the notice to buy the full feature set before the transition.
$12.50 would be a very fair price for MAX. I currently subscribe to connect for $10. I'd sign up immediately.
I would think that Connect users should be treated the same as Logos 10 purchase users. A no brainer - especially for long term Logos Now/Connect subscribers, as we elected to go subscription in the beginning rather than remain purchasing the product. This is exactly where the current policy company is going. I don't have any grave concerns that Connect users will be penalized (Logos has been fair historically - going back to the beginning of the company), but will look forward to when this becomes finalized.
The sooner the details become available, the sooner the anxiety of uncertainty will dissipate. Already as the pricing structure and the perks/policies unfold, my personal concerns are being addressed. It would be good to have a more complete set of details before the Fall, but meantime we wait.
Danny, I am not really worried either. But if I can spend the $300 now to upgrade my full feature set and save $20/month for the rest of my ministry, I would just really hope to be told while Logos 10 is still available to purchase. But I imagine that since they are using 2 years of subscription as the minimum for a fallback license within the new model that all of us who were on Logos Now should be in the clear.
You can buy an annual subscription for a price equivalent to 10 months ($129.90 in this case).
No one needs to panic-buy Logos 10 to lock in a discount [:)]. We'll ensure we give LOTS of notice before it is no longer available. We'll also ensure that Connect subscribers will know what discounts are available to them before Logos 10 stops being available. We know Connect subscribers are being very patient, and we appreciate that. We won't penalize you for waiting to find out the details.
Is there a yearly payment with discount? You can buy an annual subscription for a price equivalent to 10 months ($129.90 in this case).
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thank! you Mark.
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When I look at the pricing for Max and try to add it to the cart. It does not offer this discounted pricing only the full pricing. Of the '500' books offered they only ones I don't own are the Bible Study Magazine and A History of American Christianity. I am then offered to add a library but there are only tiers up to silver. I don't even see the discounted price for Logos Pro Early Access I am currently paying. I certainly don't want to pay full price on any of these levels when I own everything bar a few magazines and one monograph in the included books. So, Mark how do we get access to the discounted pricing? The system already has all my details and is not offering the correct pricing based on your advice of what it should be for me.
Is there a yearly payment with discount? You can buy an annual subscription for a price equivalent to 10 months ($129.90 in this case). Subscribe to Logos | Logos Bible Software When I look at the pricing for Max and try to add it to the cart. It does not offer this discounted pricing only the full pricing. Of the '500' books offered they only ones I don't own are the Bible Study Magazine and A History of American Christianity. I am then offered to add a library but there are only tiers up to silver. I don't even see the discounted price for Logos Pro Early Access I am currently paying. I certainly don't want to pay full price on any of these levels when I own everything bar a few magazines and one monograph in the included books. So, Mark how do we get access to the discounted pricing? The system already has all my details and is not offering the correct pricing based on your advice of what it should be for me.
It's nice that the ability to see just books gained is an option now. To help answer some of the questions that are thus far unanswered clearly, adding a Features section that allows you to see what Features you gain would be helpful. AI is pushed in the top section, but nothing informative beyond that.
"Dozens of datasets and tools to help you uncover fresh insights" doesn't give any insight to what you are buying like we had/have with the L10 features. Especially needed for those who already own some or all of the L10 Feature Set.
I apologise. There is a bug which we are actively fixing that means that existing early access subscribers see the full price rather than the discounted price. Apparently, it's a pretty gnarly bug and it might take several days to fix. In the meantime, if you call in or email, our support representatives will be able to help out.
(DAL, this is probably the problem you're experiencing, too.)
Thanks Mark, no problem, understand there are things to be ironed out. Happy to wait for his to be sorted out. Appreciate your efforts in tryng to address all of our questions throughout this process.
When I look at the pricing for Max and try to add it to the cart. It does not offer this discounted pricing only the full pricing. Of the '500' books offered they only ones I don't own are the Bible Study Magazine and A History of American Christianity. I am then offered to add a library but there are only tiers up to silver. I don't even see the discounted price for Logos Pro Early Access I am currently paying. I certainly don't want to pay full price on any of these levels when I own everything bar a few magazines and one monograph in the included books. So, Mark how do we get access to the discounted pricing? The system already has all my details and is not offering the correct pricing based on your advice of what it should be for me. I apologise. There is a bug which we are actively fixing that means that existing early access subscribers see the full price rather than the discounted price. Apparently, it's a pretty gnarly bug and it might take several days to fix. In the meantime, if you call in or email, our support representatives will be able to help out. (DAL, this is probably the problem you're experiencing, too.)
It's nice that the ability to see just books gained is an option now. To help answer some of the questions that are thus far unanswered clearly, adding a Features section that allow you to see what Features you gain would be helpful. AI is pushed in the top section, but nothing informative beyond that. "Dozens of datasets and tools to help you uncover fresh insights" doesn't give any insight to what you are buying like we had/have with the L10 features. Especially needed for those who already own some or all of the L10 Feature Set.
It's nice that the ability to see just books gained is an option now. To help answer some of the questions that are thus far unanswered clearly, adding a Features section that allow you to see what Features you gain would be helpful. AI is pushed in the top section, but nothing informative beyond that.
Agreed. This is coming.
FWIW, every feature currently in these packages that is not already in the L10 full feature set been announced on the forums: Smart Search, Summarization, Sermon Assistant, Insights, and the Commentaries section in Factbook. Help Center is in beta and will be included when v35 releases to stable. Sermon Assistant is not included in Logos Premium.
More features and improvements will follow in v36 and v37, of course.
This comment betrays the notion that included books do not significantly add to the price of the subscription. If a subscription including 500 books increases the price as compared to a subscription including 400, then a subscription including 400 would increase the price as compared to a subscription including 0. I would love to see an opt out option for included books in order to decrease subscription price, even if it isn't a "substantial" difference.
Is there a plan for an extra / standalone Verbum subscription model? Maybe not in the Tools Section, but regarding the commentaries they could prefer a different selection.
And what about other languages, as e.g. german? This thread doesn’t reveal too much detail about current or coming differences.
I think that is going to be dicey issue. When you present a comparison between different tiers and list number of books as a differential, people are somehow going to evaluate the value proposition using that as a criterion. Furthermore, people not willing to pay anything extra for something they already own is very valid.
Logos Max seems to differentiate itself with:
1) AI Tool: Auto Translation, and possibly more AI search credits even though both Pro and Max list 'Thousands'. I am guessing Pro has less 'thousands' than 'Max' to cater to the auto translation function.
2) Original Languages: Advanced tools as compared to Intermediate ones.
3) Study Breath: Sept, Vulgate etc.
4) Included books: Private commentaries as compared to in-house produced commentaries.
Pre-existing owners of the L10 Academic packages are going to wonder how much more value they are getting just by the books alone.
But they are not detailed, so nobody knows which tools are in what package. I assume they are all part of the full L10 package already ... ?
As far as books, I already purchased the majority of them so they do nothing for me.
The Max package includes "Evangelical Exegetical Commentary" which is about 1/3 complete or something? Only 8 of 27 New Testament books are completed, and none of the more difficult books like the gospels, Romans, Hebrews or Revelation. I don't own that one because many who already purchased it still have not received it and have not been happy with their purchase. Adding this title adds no value for me because it is not likely any book of the Bible I would study would be covered. Would have been better to go with an older but complete series IMO. But I suspect it is included because its a Lexham title.
FWIW, there are no NEW features in Logos Max that are not also in Logos Pro. Right now, the difference between the two packages is the number of books included (500 vs 400), and a bunch of advanced original language features previously included in the Logos 10 full feature set. This comment betrays the notion that included books do not significantly add to the price of the subscription. If a subscription including 500 books increases the price as compared to a subscription including 400, then a subscription including 400 would increase the price as compared to a subscription including 0. I would love to see an opt out option for included books in order to decrease subscription price, even if it isn't a "substantial" difference.
And this means that for me, who has not benefited any new resource from the 400 books, it means that the 100 more books could also be that I already own them. Since I have the Logos 10 and the Full Features set. If my perspective is wrong I would welcome if there is someone who could correct me or show me the benefit of the subscription apart from that as it said that new features will be added as soon as they are available.
I am currently on the Pro Early Access. How do I switch to Max?
Subscriptions may be a very good thing for many people. For others of us, not as much. Sounds like you are a bit like me in that you there are roughly no books in the list you need, although a few are worth sniffing at. You don't need questions for the Lessonmaker, etc., and AI...well between free online ChatAI and translation...not much there either. Some AI features produce a grimace. The AI search is somewhat cool, but not compelling enough for me to subscribe to. I've thought I would likely never subscribe, but who knows? Sweeten the pot--I might. The thing about subscribing is, we might get there! And there are many people who will benefit already. It's for them. That's a good thing.
I don’t think I have commented on this whole ordeal, if so was something little. but then I saw the posts this morning in my Saturday broswering (I have not received any emails yet).
I have subscribed to Logos Now/Faithlife Connect since August 2015 (wow, that long, just check my order history). Almost a decade. That cost $99 a year. I never cared about the books, and the three free books each month I have long finished anything that interest me. now I just get the monthly coupon, sort by best selling, and pick the next three. I got it just for the features.
to get these new AI features, ive also been paying the 9.99 monthly. so even paying for both of these things, that is 219.87 a year. So
So, I was shocked to click on the link someone posted to see that the top level is $350, wow. that is over a hundred dollars more a year for what I have now. I saw one post that said there is a bug and early people like me should see a lower price. I truly hope that I am a bug victim and that the 350 a year is not the special early price
one logos person said there is no difference between pro and max, just the books. but the chart says that the original language feature for pro is intermediate and that max is advanced… what does that mean specifically?
finally, I know the books are to attract people, but I have had logos since 2014 and have most of what I want. my priority is commentaries, bible dictionaries, and theological dictionaries. according to the chart, I own every one of the Bible dictionaries, every one of the theological dictionaries, and all but 6 of the commentaries (and two of those look like old faith life e-books). im sure the cost and balance and all that business stuff is way over my head, but the 400 or 500 books really do nothing for me personally.
I guess im rambling but can someone help me 1) what are the real differences between pro and max, and 2)is $350 a year really what I have to look fwd to or am I part of whatever bug is not fixed?
thanks
I just read in another thread that the subscription mainly covers the features not the books. The books were just thrown in to make the features work, so that new users don't just get features without a library. The pricing at this point is, if at all, more attractive for L10 users. If I were a new user, I would find it very hard to pay > US$350 a year just for Max features. After two years, this comes to more than US$700 and this does not include buying gold-standard commentaries or references.
If ESBCOhost (or any digital theological library) decides to implement AI on its own platform and also upgrade its reader functions, then I think the landscape will change.
Tony,
I am not with Logos, but have read in several posts that those subscribing to Faithlife Connect/Logos Now should wait a bit as there should be some discounts and benefits as Logos moves to the three tiered subscription model. My hope is that Logos provides some kind of legacy to those that have been long time subscribers as we move to the new subscription models.
I am waiting for a while until they address this. I do not think we are going to miss out on any beneficial pricing by doing so,
As for your current questions, someone from FL will need to opine.
Hi Mark,
It appears that prices for the different tiers are already out. It is rather confusing as I have not seen any email stating this.
It seems like some have received letters. I have not received a letter yet. The above is showing $129,90 annually. What tier is this?
I have Faithlife Connect Essentials - NO library (formerly Logos Now) - annual. for $99.99 + tax. I am also paying $9.99 for Logos Pro (early access).
Why do some have access to the different tiers and others don't have access?
It seems like some have received letters. I have not received a letter yet .
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I too havn't received.
L10 Full Feature is required for Early Access Max, whereas being an L10 owner (any lower level) appears to be sufficient for the other two tiers.
Hi Dave, I have L10 with full feature set. I believe I should be eligible for max. I have never received an email. I also would want the discounted annual price. The big issue is not everyone is getting information at the same time.
