How to get a Precise Search of 'All'?

Don Awalt
Don Awalt Member Posts: 3,521 ✭✭✭
edited November 21 in English Forum

So I do a search, 'All'. It is doing a Smart Search. But the result I know is available, and is found in Precise Search with Books, is not shown! Anyway - how do I get an All search with Precise? I checked the Help, it says Precise Search is the Default in two locations. But that implies there is a way not to have the default.

How do I do it? The selector that shows under Books search is not there.

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  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,436

    Simply use a precise search operator.

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  • Don Awalt
    Don Awalt Member Posts: 3,521 ✭✭✭

    Thanks MJ.

    Wow - I am starting to have my doubts about this. I thought we were trying to move away from the old syntax. Now we have to remember when to use that based on results? With a hidden way to activate precise search, undocumented in Help (which may get fixed, but still - someone put in that Smart Search was the default). And, what parts of old syntax are necessary now....per your example, "liturgy canticle" with quotes used to work fine. Now it's an AI search.

    Search is getting very complicated. How I long for Google search inside Logos/Verbum...

    Thanks again for the tip!

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,436

    Don Awalt said:

    I thought we were trying to move away from the old syntax.

    No, we are trying to have a general (AI/google-like) search for general usage and a precise search for when precision is needed. Google is absolutely useless for giving you all the examples of God in the beneficiary semantic role.

    Smart Search is the new default in both All Search and Books Search. Both search types can still be run using the standard syntax in what is now called a Precise Search.

    Don Awalt said:

    per your example, "liturgy canticle" with quotes used to work fine.

    But "liturgical canticle" should have worked better.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • Graham Criddle
    Graham Criddle MVP Posts: 32,638

    Don Awalt said:

    Now we have to remember when to use that based on results?

    I see it more as choosing the type of search we want - which will produce different results.

    Don Awalt said:

    With a hidden way to activate precise search, undocumented in Help

    Actually it is documented in Help - and the new Help Centre was able to find it (I was interested to see how well it would point to this type of thing)

  • Don Awalt
    Don Awalt Member Posts: 3,521 ✭✭✭

    Understood Graham, but when you click Help for the Search feature in Verbum, this is NOT what comes up. It's only a Search help that says Smart Search is the default.

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,436

    I can see the value of more precision in the Search panel screens. Make the suggestion as a UI issue in the beta forum.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • Graham Criddle
    Graham Criddle MVP Posts: 32,638

    Don Awalt said:

    Understood Graham, but when you click Help for the Search feature in Verbum, this is NOT what comes up. It's only a Search help that says Smart Search is the default.

    Thanks Don - I understand what you are saying now.