THREE NEW SUBSCRIPTION TIERS!
Here is a link to a comparison of the three tiers.
imo a fairly sensible arrangement.
I you own Logos10 Gold or higher (there may be more requirements?), which has the full feature set, IIRC the prices per month are Premium $8, Pro $10, and Max $13. There are also annual prices with a discount.
https://www.logos.com/early-access/subscriptions
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Jim Dean said:
I you own Logos10 Gold or higher (there may be more requirements?), which has the full feature set, IIRC the prices per month are Premium $8,
$7 for Premium
The basic requirement for Early Access subscription is Logos 10 Full Feature set, for which you get a healthy discount.
Dave
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I already have the Logos 10 Full Feature set and a sizeable library. I've looked at the books I would have access to and don't see any that really interest me. I also do most of my work offline, so AI Tools and Cloud features would not benefit me.
What would I gain with the subscription?
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You gain incremental improvements (every 6 weeks or so) towards the equivalent of version 11, instead of waiting for the features every 2 years and paying a lump sum under the old model.
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Doug Yates said:
You gain incremental improvements (every 6 weeks or so) towards the equivalent of version 11, instead of waiting for the features every 2 years and paying a lump sum under the old model.
Not quite accurate. You would gain new features every 7 weeks or so + perks (similar to Connect, but not finalised) and be eligible to keep (own) offline features every 2 years, starting October 2026.
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Thanks for the correction Dave
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The primary thing that the various subscription levels offer to someone who already has a lot (or all) of the books in those packages Is the AI features, which seem to be improving rapidly. As someone who already has a huge library, that’s what I’m looking at.
You also get early access to new or improved or fixed features, but I’m not sure they will be stable at that point so I’m not counting on that being really valuable.
Also note that in order to USE those AI features, you need plenty of “tokens” or “credits” for each AI query that you make. The Pro package gives “thousands” whole Premium gives “hundreds”. It’s unclear whether the Max package “thousands” are more than the Pro, but my guess is that there are.=============
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Jim Dean said:
You also get early access to new or improved or fixed features, but I’m not sure they will be stable at that point so I’m not counting on that being really valuable.
I don't understand your point. If the AI features are "improving rapidly" why are you uncertain that other features "will be stable at that point".
The point of subscription is that you gain access to new or improved features after 6 weeks public testing (beta test) and stability is important.
Dave
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Dave Hooton said:Jim Dean said:
You also get early access to new or improved or fixed features, but I’m not sure they will be stable at that point so I’m not counting on that being really valuable.
I don't understand your point. If the AI features are "improving rapidly" why are you uncertain that other features "will be stable at that point".
The point of subscription is that you gain access to new or improved features after 6 weeks public testing (beta test) and stability is important.
I’m not sure there is a “point”, Dave. As 50+ year programmer I am naturally suspicious of multiple small layered releases with short beta tests. That’s my *opinion*, for my own thinking.
The two things are somewhat different. The AI features are being developed by a third party and licensed to Logos, so those folks have a much narrower focus and far less spaghetti-code to deal with. So, again *in my opinon*, for my own purposes, my guess is that new AI features will be coming along more rapidly, and be less likely to be friable.
The flip side of the AI coin is there is still a lot of internal “learning” it has to go through before it can be up to snuff re natural language search queries etc.
Again, in my opinion, the early access to layered feature-tweaks is not what is the crucial thing for my uses.
I am pleased about the 2-year continuous subscription assuring perpetual license to newest non-AI features.
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Jim Dean said:
As 50+ year programmer I am naturally suspicious of multiple small layered releases with short beta tests. That’s my *opinion*, for my own thinking.
I suspect that you, like Rosie and myself, are still more comfortable with the long analysis before coding model. One element for getting comfortable with the prototype-release model is to remember that code may be written and tested for multiple cycles before it moves into the short cycle beta testing.
Jim Dean said:and far less spaghetti-code to deal with.
I had little patience for spaghetti code ...
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MJ. Smith said:Jim Dean said:
As 50+ year programmer I am naturally suspicious of multiple small layered releases with short beta tests. That’s my *opinion*, for my own thinking.
I suspect that you, like Rosie and myself, are still more comfortable with the long analysis before coding model. One element for getting comfortable with the prototype-release model is to remember that code may be written and tested for multiple cycles before it moves into the short cycle beta testing.
Jim Dean said:and far less spaghetti-code to deal with.
I had little patience for spaghetti code ...
Agreed And I am naturally suspicious of the “may be written and tested for multiple cycles” situation, esp in todays somewhat lackadaisical approach to things - not speaking of Logos in particular. It’s just too easy to “fob off” the final non-crash-event testing to the users, due lot the simplicity of OTA skinny releases. Certainly not the case in the days of punched cards, perf paper tape, and mag reels.
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Dave Hooton said:Doug Yates said:
You gain incremental improvements (every 6 weeks or so) towards the equivalent of version 11, instead of waiting for the features every 2 years and paying a lump sum under the old model.
Not quite accurate. You would gain new features every 7 weeks or so + perks (similar to Connect, but not finalised) and be eligible to keep (own) offline features every 2 years, starting October 2026.
Thanks. I'll have to take a look at the new features and see if they are something I want/need.
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Jim Dean said:Dave Hooton said:Jim Dean said:
You also get early access to new or improved or fixed features, but I’m not sure they will be stable at that point so I’m not counting on that being really valuable.
I don't understand your point. If the AI features are "improving rapidly" why are you uncertain that other features "will be stable at that point".
The point of subscription is that you gain access to new or improved features after 6 weeks public testing (beta test) and stability is important.
I’m not sure there is a “point”, Dave. As 50+ year programmer I am naturally suspicious of multiple small layered releases with short beta tests. That’s my *opinion*, for my own thinking.
In many ways the "short beta tests" are more reliable than the concentrated alpha/beta testing for features that went into Logos 10 and earlier versions, where the time constraints weighed heavily on what could be accomplished, and they were refined/stabilised in the months following "release". There may be a plan with subscription, but no schedule because of Marketing constraints. So features would not be brought to Beta test until they are 'ready'. (including features with AI)! Also, we are seeing features being tested in the web App before being brought to the Desktop.
Dave
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Dave Hooton said:
In many ways the "short beta tests" are more reliable than the concentrated alpha/beta testing for features that went into Logos 10 and earlier versions, where the time constraints weighed heavily on what could be accomplished, and they were refined/stabilised in the months following "release". There may be a plan with subscription, but no schedule because of Marketing constraints. So features would not be brought to Beta test until they are 'ready'. (including features with AI)! Also, we are seeing features being tested in the web App before being brought to the Desktop.
That does make sense.
It fits with the general internal-pressure-relief aspect of subscriptions … the provider doesn't really have to press as hard to add as much in say a two-year period (gradually), and they might with bi-annual major releases where marketing has to have a story to tell to sell the composite.However the boogeyman of testing (slightly less deplorable than the documentation ogre) which is so important also is less constrained and could end up being done more effectively, or could just get a few swipes of the polish cloth before release to public.
A big part of this is just my natural skeptical view of coding (any coding - no Logos focus intended) these days - it *can* be done well but too often it is sloppy. Once a “feature” is “completed”, it‘s difficult to get developers to go back a year later and tweak it if it proves unviable or awkward.By and large, I’m encouraged by the three tier release structure and pricing (for longtime users). and by the rolling two-year features retaining aspect
My primary remaining concern is what “balance” will be struck between features that will be resident in code on the machine, so that they can run without WiFi present, vs those that are not cloud-dependent and do reside on the machine, yet are bundled such that regular wifi nak-ack toggle-checking is required for their functioning. I understand the need for cloud based AI queries. But I also know how easy it is to do the other approach.
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