Finding a Book in My Library
Not infrequently, I will be reading and come across a reference to a church father, an ancient writer, or something in the Mishnah and will wonder if I have it in my library (you will be shocked, dear reader, to find out that sometimes these entries are not tagged, despite being in Logos Research Editions).
These resources often don't have a Factbook entry and are not individual resources in my library but part of a larger collection. Today, the culprit was Yebamot, a tractate in the Mishnah. No Factbook entry, nothing when I click "Lookup" despite a 20k resource library, My current approach is to do an "All" search for the word to see where it would be (the Talmud in this case), then to open one of my copies of the Talmud and try entering it in the find box for that resource (Eureka!). Plan B is to open "Cited By" and type the name into that so I can find some book that is tagged, open it, and click the link to get to what I want to find (in this case, selecting Yebamot gave me Neusner's book on the Influence of the Mishnah, which was tagged with links to open the Talmud).
This works, but it cannot possibly be the right way to look up references that are recognized by the system (and hence show up in cited by). My intuition would be to type Tert., Adv. Marc. 4.40 into the Go box and get it to open my top-ranked book that contains that reference, just like I can do with John 3:16. I know I am missing something obvious but I cannot figure it out and would appreciate your help.
Edit to add that the new AI synopsis is kind of helpful. Putting that Tertullian reference into search for fun, I got: "The search results do not provide specific information about "Tert., Adv. Marc. 4.40". This reference likely refers to Book 4, Chapter 40 of Tertullian's work "Adversus Marcionem" (Against Marcion), but the provided articles do not contain relevant content to address your query about this specific text." So for a student who doesn't have a clue, at least it would give them a hint about what the address means.
Using Logos as a pastor, seminary professor, and Tyndale author
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I'm afraid this is the best approach right now. We need to do better here, both in the tagging and the looking up.
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Thanks for the response Mark. I am disappointed but glad to know that it is not something just out of reach. It does seem like getting the Go Box to recognize known milestones that Cited By can identify would be really improve usability. Hopefully these are the kinds of non-glamorous improvements that the subscription model will help.
Using Logos as a pastor, seminary professor, and Tyndale author
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Thanks Justin, this is exactly my pain. This was also discussed in a recent Thread. I hope the subscription will enable Logos to provide better ways and/or features to find resources or resources that are contained in other resources...
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Justin Gatlin said:
My intuition would be to type Tert., Adv. Marc. 4.40 into the Go box and get it to open my top-ranked book that contains that reference, just like I can do with John 3:16. I know I am missing something obvious but I cannot figure it out
The "obvious" is that bible references are readily recognised without their datatype i.e. we don't need to type bible:"John 3:16" or bible.esv:"John 3:16". This comes from the right-click Context menu, selecting Reference > Copy reference.
Strangely, Tert., Adv. Marc. 4.40 is recognised in the All Passages box of Search, so it was easy to Search for God and find it in ANF3. Then I could use the Context menu to get tertullian:"Against Marcion 4.40" as the Search reference. With that I could find references in 20 books.
Still, I agree with Mark that Logos has to do better when presented with Tert., Adv. Marc. 4.40 e.g. with Lookup in the Command Box
Dave
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Thanks much Justin for bringing this up. I have had this issue before many times. Thanks Dave for a possible workaround.
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I think that works out very similarly to using Cited By, although Cited By saves the step of finding tertullian:"Against Marcion 4:40". But I appreciate another method.Dave Hooton said:Justin Gatlin said:My intuition would be to type Tert., Adv. Marc. 4.40 into the Go box and get it to open my top-ranked book that contains that reference, just like I can do with John 3:16. I know I am missing something obvious but I cannot figure it out
The "obvious" is that bible references are readily recognised without their datatype i.e. we don't need to type bible:"John 3:16" or bible.esv:"John 3:16". This comes from the right-click Context menu, selecting Reference > Copy reference.
Strangely, Tert., Adv. Marc. 4.40 is recognised in the All Passages box of Search, so it was easy to Search for God and find it in ANF3. Then I could use the Context menu to get tertullian:"Against Marcion 4.40" as the Search reference. With that I could find references in 20 books.
Still, I agree with Mark that Logos has to do better when presented with Tert., Adv. Marc. 4.40 e.g. with Lookup in the Command Box
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