Please put the focus on the first entry in a Library search
I prefer using the keyboard instead of a mouse when at all possible. Right now I can type "cmd-l" on my Mac to bring up the Library pane. I type "na28" and it's at the top of the list, but since the focus isn't on it, I still have to use my mouse to select it. If the focus was on it, I could just hit return to open it. If I could use an arrow key, or perhaps hit return twice, that would be fine too.
Seems like a small thing, but it's something I do multiple times a day.
Note: I'd even pay a subscription fee for this feature :-)
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Mark Allison said:
Right now I can type "cmd-l" on my Mac to bring up the Library pane. I type "na28" and it's at the top of the list, but since the focus isn't on it, I still have to use my mouse to select it. If the focus was on it, I could just hit return to open it.
Type na28 into the Command Box and the focus could well be on that bible, but wait for the list to generate first! However, what do you do when NA27 brings up 3 or more bibles?
Note that the Command Box can be trained, so if na28 does not bring the book into focus, select it and it should be the focus next time.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Dave Hooton said:Mark Allison said:
Right now I can type "cmd-l" on my Mac to bring up the Library pane. I type "na28" and it's at the top of the list, but since the focus isn't on it, I still have to use my mouse to select it. If the focus was on it, I could just hit return to open it.
Type na28 into the Command Box and the focus could well be on that bible, but wait for the list to generate first! However, what do you do when NA27 brings up 3 or more bibles?
Note that the Command Box can be trained, so if na28 does not bring the book into focus, select it and it should be the focus next time.
Usually the resource I'm looking for is at the top of the list. If it's not, I should be able to use the down-arrow to navigate to the resource I want, then hit return to open it. Right now, I can't do that. I always have to use the mouse at some point.
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Mark, try command box instead of library. Cmd+Opt+L. That's pretty cool, I need to remember to use command box more. Open NA28, Nahum in Factbook, search books for eucharist... those all work there. Thanks, Dave!
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Jonathan Huber said:
Mark, try command box instead of library. Cmd+Opt+L. That's pretty cool, I need to remember to use command box more. Open NA28, Nahum in Factbook, search books for eucharist... those all work there. Thanks, Dave!
Thanks Dave and Jonathan. I get it now :-) This will work just fine.
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Mark Allison said:
Thanks Dave and Jonathan. I get it now :-) This will work just fine.
Use https://wiki.logos.com/Desktop_Commands for the syntax that Jonathan hinted at e.g. open na28 to mt (open to Matthhew). It is flexible as open is not needed if just opening a book/bible like NA28.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Dave Hooton said:Mark Allison said:
Thanks Dave and Jonathan. I get it now :-) This will work just fine.
Use https://wiki.logos.com/Desktop_Commands for the syntax that Jonathan hinted at e.g. open na28 to mt (open to Matthhew). It is flexible as open is not needed if just opening a book/bible like NA28.
Is there a way to assign hotkeys to open your favorite resources?
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John said:
Is there a way to assign hotkeys to open your favorite resources?
Yes, you can assign up to 9 favorites. Open Favorites from Tools to see and set them up.
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Jonathan Huber said:
Yes, you can assign up to 9 favorites. Open Favorites from Tools to see and set them up.
It works [Y]
I tried it out on Windows. It will no doubt be similar on MacOS
You have to drag the window title and drop it on the "Set link 1", or alternately highlight the Window title bar of the favorite Resource and press Ctrl-Shift + 1 to assign that resource to key CTRL-1. (Red Circle 1)
Another option which I had already been using is to drag the windows title with the mouse and drop it on the Toolbar. You can then open the Resource with a single mouse click (so not really the answer to the question in this thread). (Red Circle 2)
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John said:
It works
John said:Another option which I had already been using is to drag the windows title with the mouse and drop it on the Toolbar. You can then open the Resource with a single mouse click (so not really the answer to the question in this thread). (Red Circle 2)
Thanks for the reminder Jonathan and John. I had set up Favorites when I first started using Logs and assigned shortcuts to them, but because I didn't know what my workflow would look like, I never actually used them. Now I've assigned shortcuts to the CSB (English text I'm using now), the NA28 and the BHS.
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Mark Allison said:
I prefer using the keyboard instead of a mouse when at all possible. Right now I can type "cmd-l" on my Mac to bring up the Library pane. I type "na28" and it's at the top of the list, but since the focus isn't on it, I still have to use my mouse to select it. If the focus was on it, I could just hit return to open it. If I could use an arrow key, or perhaps hit return twice, that would be fine too.
Seems like a small thing, but it's something I do multiple times a day.
Note: I'd even pay a subscription fee for this feature :-)I requested this before. Command+L works fine until the focus is not on the first entry. So to hit enter will open it.
Same as the Accordance Forums: No one of the developer is listen!
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Fabian said:
I requested this before. Command+L works fine until the focus is not on the first entry. So to hit enter will open it.
Same as the Accordance Forums: No one of the developer is listen!
Did you consider the alternatives listed above?
And please remember that Logos is different to Accordance.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Dave Hooton said:Fabian said:
I requested this before. Command+L works fine until the focus is not on the first entry. So to hit enter will open it.
Same as the Accordance Forums: No one of the developer is listen!
Did you consider the alternatives listed above?
And please remember that Logos is different to Accordance.
#1 No, because my post relates to the first post from Mark. And it matches a request I have done before. The solution which is given is not the same as requested above.
#2 Not really, both wanna make money. And to features they both think they know it better than the user.
Our goal is simple: If we use the short-cut key to open the library and type right away. The top entry in the search should be on focus, so a simple return opens it. Which is an industry standard. Currently we have then always to use the trackpad or the mouse for clicking on it. Which is not the industry standard.
BTW: Is there a command to type right away in
without using a mouse or trackpad. In Accordance you can use the Tab button. Is there a similar for Logos? The Tab only works on certain cases not always.Thanks
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Fabian said:
#1 No, because my post relates to the first post from Mark. And it matches a request I have done before. The solution which is given is not the same as requested above.
#2 Not really, both wanna make money. And to features they both think they know it better than the user.
My comment was about the software and the way one works in one product versus the other.
If you do not accept the solutions offered then make your suggestion at Faithlife Feedback - Desktop - check if there is already one there and vote for it.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Dave Hooton said:
Note that the Command Box can be trained,
The problem with the Command Box is that it's much slower than the Library. My current solution is to make each of my primary Bibles a favorite, and I've assigned a shortcut to each of them. That's working okay, but it's a work-around for something that should be straight-forward.
Right now, if I type Cmd-L to bring up the library, then type "na28" to bring the NA28 to the top of the list, I'm stuck. There's nowhere else to go with the keyboard. I can't hit enter, tab, or up- or down-arrow. Nothing I do with the keyboard makes any difference.
This isn't me trying to make Logos act like Accordance. This is my trying to make Logos work in a way that makes sense.0 -
Mark Allison said:
Right now, if I type Cmd-L to bring up the library, then type "na28" to bring the NA28 to the top of the list, I'm stuck. There's nowhere else to go with the keyboard. I can't hit enter, tab, or up- or down-arrow. Nothing I do with the keyboard makes any difference.
Curiously this can be made to work on Windows!
Ctrl-L brings up the Library window and, as expected, entering "na28" filters the library.
Then the tab key moves the focus to different panes in the window until getting to the one containing the list of books. You can then use the arrow keys to move up/down the list to get to the required entry. Pressing Enter then opens it.
But I can't see / find an equivalent keyboard function on Mac..
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Mark Allison said:
Right now, if I type Cmd-L to bring up the library, then type "na28" to bring the NA28 to the top of the list, I'm stuck. There's nowhere else to go with the keyboard. I can't hit enter, tab, or up- or down-arrow. Nothing I do with the keyboard makes any difference.
This isn't me trying to make Logos act like Accordance. This is my trying to make Logos work in a way that makes sense.
Thanks for highlighting this problem!
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Mark Allison said:
This is my trying to make Logos work in a way that makes sense.
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Logos lacks many of the usual Mac navigation options.
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Paul said:
Logos lacks many of the usual Mac navigation options.
Because they want the code to work across multiple devices/platforms they deliberately avoid taking advantage of platform specific features. That keeps our costs down
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:Paul said:
Logos lacks many of the usual Mac navigation options.
Because they want the code to work across multiple devices/platforms they deliberately avoid taking advantage of platform specific features. That keeps our costs down
Then why does keyboard navigation work in Windows but not on the Mac?
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Mark Allison said:
Then why does keyboard navigation work in Windows but not on the Mac?
I've never programmed for a Mac so I don't know the answer. But I would suspect that it is influenced by browsers' conventions. I gave up on Mac when the first Mac promised but did not deliver on a true compiler - just interpreters.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:Mark Allison said:
Then why does keyboard navigation work in Windows but not on the Mac?
I've never programmed for a Mac so I don't know the answer. But I would suspect that it is influenced by browsers' conventions. I gave up on Mac when the first Mac promised but did not deliver on a true compiler - just interpreters.
But if navigation works in Windows but not on the Mac, then Logos IS coding for specific platforms. It's not like the APIs aren't available for keyboard navigation on the Mac. I think this reflects a historic bias of Windows over the Mac on the Logos platform (to be fair, Accordance has the opposite bias).
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Mark Allison said:
But if navigation works in Windows but not on the Mac, then Logos IS coding for specific platforms.
This to me is not a logical conclusion. The navigation may work solely because the guidelines used to develop the navigation happen to overlap Windows in this case, iOS in another, Android in yet another ...
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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What "guidelines" would those be? Guidelines that were used to create Logos before they ever had a Mac application?
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Mark Allison said:
What "guidelines" would those be?
Whatever guidelines Logos is currently using. The industry is often updating its view of "best practices" and sometimes, a company including Logos, chooses what eventually is shown to be a poor choice. My employer bet on X-boxes on the desktop rather than PC/Mac's [:$]
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
Whatever guidelines Logos is currently usin
I'm probably misunderstanding you, but if the guidelines Logos is using are working in Windows but not on the Mac, then that's something that needs to be fixed, because it's broken. Even if the end users have to pay more for it. Even if Logos needs to hand-code their own implementation of keyboard controls.
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Mark Allison said:
I'm probably misunderstanding you, but if the guidelines Logos is using are working in Windows but not on the Mac, then that's something that needs to be fixed, because it's broken.
If Logos says that a particular set of keystrokes results in a particular response, then it is a bug if it does not do so. But it would be surprising if the guidelines used coded to the Mac menu line. There are elements where the OS makes reusable code difficult ... see the current discussion over the L4 form of a link.
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MJ. Smith said:
Whatever guidelines Logos is currently using. The industry is often updating its view of "best practices" and sometimes, a company including Logos, chooses what eventually is shown to be a poor choice.
After Logos abandoned their old codebase in Libronix, they essentially started over with a clean slate. They made a huge gamble back then on another Microsoft invention called the .NET framework. And a new and not so complete interface called WinForms was the basis for the interface. And yes it was Windows only back then.
Microsoft's true reason for creating the .NET framework was not to provide a superior development platform, but to prevent Java from succeeding in the marketplace. Microsoft had no control over Java which was owned by Sun Microsytems, so they tried to subvert it with .NET
Over the years, Microsoft has seen to it that Windows development is never stable and is constantly changing. Winforms was superceded by Windows presentation foundation (WPF). Which was later superseded with WinUI. Microsoft is currently encouraging developers to move to yet another new thing, WinUI 3.
The gamble Logos made has paid off, because .NET became open-sourced and was embraced (but not without major disagreements) by the Linux community. This gave .NET and its various interpreted languages (C#, Basic, etc) more of a foundation that developers could rely on. It eventually evolved into a cross-platform system, and code written for Windows could run on any other platform that supported the framework. As we know, MacOS is one of those supported platforms.
So Logos as we know it today is a (managed code, non-native) Windows program that just happens to run on MacOS. It is not a native Windows program, nor it is a native MacOS program. It is cross-platform and gives up the performance and control that a native program would have.
This is why I stuck with Libronix over the years. I made a couple of attempts to upgrade but always found the performance lacking. This is also why I ran Bibleworks ... it was native to Windows, written directly to the Win32 API. It was lightening fast (even on old systems) and rock solid reliable.
But now computers and processors have evolved to the point that performance is not so much an issue. Logos runs really good on both platforms. Is it perfect? Of course not. It lacks the power of a native Windows or MacOS program. But it works. And it doesn't crash very often. (I don't run beta's).
This is just my interpretation of things based on what I have seen over the years. If any Logos people see a need, feel free to correct me on anything I said here [:)]
When I started with Accordance 13, it was crashing on me constantly. When I wanted to downgrade back to 12, they told me I couldn't ... they had updated their servers and they no longer supported installing version 12 ... which was the last known stable version at that time. That was my first big clue that something was wrong over there.
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MJ. Smith said:
There are elements where the OS makes reusable code difficult
I definitely understand that. And if a Logos engineer tells me that it's not practical for the Mac version to have this sort of parity with Windows, then I'll accept that. Of course if that's true, it supports the notion that programming for Windows is a higher priority than programming for the Mac.
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John said:
So Logos as we know it today is a (managed code, non-native) Windows program that just happens to run on MacOS. It is not a native Windows program, nor it is a native MacOS program. It is cross-platform and gives up the performance and control that a native program would have.
Yes, I know. That is the point I was trying to make. It is also the reality that I had to design web applications to 25-years-ago when my team implemented the first administrative systems app over the web at UW. I happen to have hated Libronix ... but then, I still miss Houdini which was state-of-the-art DOS hypertext application from the Nixon era.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Mark Allison said:
Of course if that's true, it supports the notion that programming for Windows is a higher priority than programming for the Mac.
Or it supports the notion that the Mac conventions are further from the best-practices norm than Windows. [;)]
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