How do I find ר (Resh) with דגש קל (dagesh lene).
Printed editions of the Hebrew Bible vary in regards to the number of Resh with דגש קל/Dagesh lene. Some have 19 occurances while others have 17 or 15. I am curious how electronic or digital editions of the Hebrew Bible handly this phenomenon.
הַרְּאִיתֶם֙ is an example of this in 2 kings 6:32 :
QUESTION:
Using Logos 10 desktop is it possible to search for Resh with Dagesh lene?
And, if yes how does one do so?
Thanks in advance
חַפְּשׂוּ בַּתּוֹרָה הֵיטֵב וְאַל תִּסְתַּמְּכוּ עַל דְּבָרַי
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I don't know how to search for a single letter. The form for a word is match.dagesh:word. But trying to play with wildcards and putting *רְּ* doesn't return any results.
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Using a Find allows letter by letter searching. AFAIK a search does not ... or, at least, not efficiently enough to be useful.
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Justin Gatlin said:
But trying to play with wildcards and putting *רְּ* doesn't return any results.
Thank you! I am trying still nothing, yet.
MJ. Smith said:Using a Find allows letter by letter searching. AFAIK a search does not ... or, at least, not efficiently enough to be useful.
Using a FIND?
Okay I typed FIND and רּ but I am not getting anything
חַפְּשׂוּ בַּתּוֹרָה הֵיטֵב וְאַל תִּסְתַּמְּכוּ עַל דְּבָרַי
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Try the panel menu (three dots) at the top ... it is a character by character match.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
Try the panel menu (three dots) at the top ...
Okay I clicked on the three dots
And then I tried to search but nothing happen other than the box turned pink..חַפְּשׂוּ בַּתּוֹרָה הֵיטֵב וְאַל תִּסְתַּמְּכוּ עַל דְּבָרַי
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I think the Find MJ is referring to is actually invoked by either Ctrl-F or Cmf-F (depending on platform) and then entering the search term in the box that pops up at the top right.
But it is quite limited - will be interesting to see if it gives you what you are looking for.
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turning pink means no matches/no more matches
what I get from a test case ...
So, it may not work ... but for reasons I don't understand. There is something "special" as to how it is treating Hebrew.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Graham Criddle said:
either Ctrl-F or Cmf-F
Right. I tend to point people towards menus rather than keyboard shortcuts ...
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:Graham Criddle said:
either Ctrl-F or Cmf-F
Right. I tend to point people towards menus rather than keyboard shortcuts ...
Understood - apologies
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Graham Criddle said:
Understood - apologies
No problem. But I am puzzled by why it doesn't appear to work. I thought it was a simple byte-by-byte match ... an exact match ... but it seems to be adding some other criteria into the Hebrew.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Believe it or not! My search crashed Logos! I can't remember ever crashing Logos before!
I was trying the following match.dagesh:?רּ* and soon as the search began Logos crashed
חַפְּשׂוּ בַּתּוֹרָה הֵיטֵב וְאַל תִּסְתַּמְּכוּ עַל דְּבָרַי
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Justin Gatlin said:
The form for a word is match.dagesh:word. But trying to play with wildcards and putting *רְּ* doesn't return any results.
The following match.dagesh:*רּ* picks up 9 hits that is a nice start! Butit is less that the 17 or 19 hits I had hope to get. I guess I will play around with this one more...
חַפְּשׂוּ בַּתּוֹרָה הֵיטֵב וְאַל תִּסְתַּמְּכוּ עַל דְּבָרַי
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BKMitchell said:
I was trying the following match.dagesh:?רּ* and soon as the search began Logos crashed
You may want to try this search again and enable diagnostic logging. https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/360027869132-How-to-Enable-and-Submit-Log-Files
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Christian Alexander said:
You may want to try this search again and enable diagnostic logging. https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/360027869132-How-to-Enable-and-Submit-Log-Files
Thank you I will try that
חַפְּשׂוּ בַּתּוֹרָה הֵיטֵב וְאַל תִּסְתַּמְּכוּ עַל דְּבָרַי
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Is seem like Logos should be able to search for a ר (Resh) with דגש קל (dagesh lene) but I can't seem to figure out.
חַפְּשׂוּ בַּתּוֹרָה הֵיטֵב וְאַל תִּסְתַּמְּכוּ עַל דְּבָרַי
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BKMitchell said:Justin Gatlin said:
The form for a word is match.dagesh:word. But trying to play with wildcards and putting *רְּ* doesn't return any results.
The following match.dagesh:*רּ* picks up 9 hits that is a nice start! Butit is less that the 17 or 19 hits I had hope to get. I guess I will play around with this one more...
I get 11 results in the Lexham Hebrew Bible. I don't know what I was doing wrong before. But I found a list in Notes on the Hebrew Text and Topography of the Books of Samuel that you might find interesting. I just did an all search for match.dagesh:רּ.
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Justin Gatlin said:
I get 11 results in the Lexham Hebrew Bible. I don't know what I was doing wrong before. But I found a list in Notes on the Hebrew Text and Topography of the Books of Samuel that you might find interesting. I just did an all search for match.dagesh:רּ.
Thank you for sharing Gatlin! That is very interesting!
חַפְּשׂוּ בַּתּוֹרָה הֵיטֵב וְאַל תִּסְתַּמְּכוּ עַל דְּבָרַי
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RE the crash see this post. https://community.logos.com/forums/t/224526.aspx
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RE the crash see this post. https://community.logos.com/forums/t/224526.aspx
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RE the crash see this post. https://community.logos.com/forums/t/224526.aspx
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RE the crash see this post. https://community.logos.com/forums/t/224526.aspx
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