Specialized Preposition Search

Paul Day
Paul Day Member Posts: 2
edited November 21 in English Forum

I am currently engaged in an intensive study in my Greek New Testament involving identify all prepositional phrases that are then immediately followed by a noun in a genitive case.

Can someone please recommend an appropriate search formula for this project?

I am hoping to better understand how the New Testament writers employed either subjective genitives or objective genitives imm following a prepositional phrase.

Thanks in advance!

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  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,403

    Welcome to the forums. Do you mean you're looking for prepositions that take a noun in the genitive OR do you mean you are looking for preposition phrases that occur immediately before a genitive noun?  In a Bible search use prepositionalPhrase:objectCase:Genitive . I got the pattern for the search by using the Context Menu on a preposition in my primary Bible.

    Note I tried prepositionalPhrase:* BEFORE 1 WORDS morph.g:NG for the second option but did not verify the results. I don't know enough Greek to really understand

    Paul Day said:

    subjective genitives or objective genitives im

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • Paul Day
    Paul Day Member Posts: 2
    https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1308648#Comment_1308648

    Thank you for your reply!

    I’m actually trying to find every prepositional phrase that takes an object of any case that is then immediately followed by a genitive noun.

    I’m trying to gauge the frequency for how the authors use either the subjective or objective genitive in combination with a preceding prepositional phrase.

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,403
    https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1308649#Comment_1308649

    I think prepositionalPhrase:* BEFORE 1 WORDS morph.g:NG  is what you want. The last term translates as morphology-Logos Greek-noun-genitive

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • Rick Brannan
    Rick Brannan MVP Posts: 232

    This is best done either with a syntax search or searching using the grammatical construction label features ordered around prepositions. 

    Syntax search is probably the best option, though.

    I've created a syntax search that uses the Cascadia form of the SBLGNT, you should be able to access it here: https://flshare.net/g52zb9 

    [Edit: I misread the original request; the below finds a prepositional phrase with a genitive object; I'll follow up this post soon with a separate search to accomplish what you're looking for, I think.]

    Here's the search:

    Here are some results:

    Rick Brannan | Bluesky: rickbrannan.com

  • Rick Brannan
    Rick Brannan MVP Posts: 232
    https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1311203#Comment_1311203

    Rick Brannan said:

    [Edit: I misread the original request; the below finds a prepositional phrase with a genitive object; I'll follow up this post soon with a separate search to accomplish what you're looking for, I think.]

    After re-reading the request, MJ's approach has merit and it is probably the most simple approach.

    The only issue I can see with it is that it locates both instances where the following genitive directly modifies the prepositional phrase as well as instances where a genitive just happens to be adjacent to a prepositional phrase.

    I futzed about with a Syntax Search (here's a version you can grab: https://flshare.net/n36jc7 ) that isn't perfect, but isn't bad either.

    Here's the search:

    Here are some results:

    Rick Brannan | Bluesky: rickbrannan.com

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