Attention: Kyle, Bullinger's FIGURES OF SPEECH USED IN THE BIBLE
I know you are reviewing some books to be updated and I don't know anything about the logistics of these things, but it seems that this resource should be somehow incorporated into the figures of speech data set and visible in the context menu or in some way made more accessible in the LFLBG. It has Bible milestones but it is indexed by page, and searched by footnote,heading,large and surface text.
I know it can be searched if I know the label type, but it seems like double work when the figures of speech labels are already in the context menu and there is no link to Bullinger. It is not cited in the LFLBG under reference works.
Is there something that can be done to make this monograph more easily accessible at least in the LFLBG?
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If I have totally missed something in ignorance, please forgive me, I am forever learning.
Thanks,
Bill
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I'm chalking it up to a Monday, but what is LFLBG?
Also, it seems like that should already be available in the context menu. I find it easily enough if I open an information window. Something buggy seems to be happening there.0 -
Kyle G. Anderson said:
I'm chalking it up to a Monday, but what is LFLBG?
I'm guessing it refers to https://www.logos.com/product/178518/lexham-figurative-language-of-the-bible-glossary
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Kyle G. Anderson said:
I find it easily enough if I open an information window.
Huh. Where are you seeing it. I have other ref. added in the info panel but don't see it.
I tried 1 Thes 5:19 listed in Bullinger's and nothing shows for that resource anywhere. I'm using the NASB in Windows 11
Oh yes, thank you Graham, LFLBG,is the Lexham Figurative Language of the Bible Glossary.
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Ah, I think we're getting somewhere!
There are two closely related datasets.Dataset #1: Bullinger’s Figure of Speech Dataset
Dataset #2: Lexham Figurative Language of the Bible
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If you don't see the label in the context menu, then you may need to open the information pane. I see 2 labels for Figure of Speech in 1Thess 5:19.
The first Name: Correspondence and the second Name: Metonymy, Description: Change of Noun
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Hi Jimmy,
Thank you for responding and your input. I guess I'm not being clear in my explanation, or maybe I'm misunderstanding something.
I see the same information as your screenshot. I have no issue with the information your resource provides. I'm concerned with the access to Bullinger's resource.
What I see, are all the figurative language links in the context menu and information panel come from the LFLBG and no links from his resource:
FIGURES OF SPEECH
USED
IN THE BIBLEEXPLAINED AND ILLUSTRATED
Bullinger, E. W. (1898). Figures of speech used in the Bible (p. iii). Eyre & Spottiswoode; E. & J. B. Young & Co.
This book is not cited within the LFLBG, so it can't be accessed from there either.
Apparently, it is it's own dataset, but not a part of the context menu if I understand Kyle correctly.
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There are 2 different datasets in Logos that cover similar language phenomena. The categories and instances that come from Bullinger are in the dataset Figures of Speech. There are links to his book in the dataset documentation for that dataset. The Lexham Figurative Language of the Bible data set is a different data set. The documentation and glossary for the Figurative language data set does not cite Bullinger because it does not use the labels in the same way that Bullinger does.
As we are working on unifying all of our data, we will also make efforts to handle cases like this where we have explicitly overlapping data.0 -
Jimmy Parks said:
The categories and instances that come from Bullinger are in the dataset Figures of Speech. There are links to his book in the dataset documentation for that dataset. The Lexham Figurative Language of the Bible data set is a different data set.
[I] I'm starting to see the light on a couple of things. Thank you again for pointing out the difference between Figurative Language and Figures of Speech in the list. It was obvious but mind just couldn't see it[:$]
So there are still issues;
1st. The info panel shows Bullinger's (figures of speech), but unlike your resource (figurative language), none of the data is hyper linked backed to his book in the info panel.
2nd. There is a problem with the context menu, because it does not show Bullinger's (figures of speech) at all. I believe this is what Kyle is working on.
3rd. I believe the data for Bullinger's in both the info panel and when it is brought into the context menu should be hyper linked to his book.
Thank you for your help and patience.
Jimmy Parks said:As we are working on unifying all of our data, we will also make efforts to handle cases like this where we have explicitly overlapping data.
Thank you for your continued work to improve these tools also.
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Bill said:
2nd. There is a problem with the context menu, because it does not show Bullinger's (figures of speech) at all. I believe this is what Kyle is working on.
It does show up if you have the Bullinger Dataset.
Please make sure you have expanded all the labels in the context menu by clicking the little chevron.
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Bill said:
1st. The info panel shows Bullinger's (figures of speech), but unlike your resource (figurative language), none of the data is hyper linked backed to his book in the info panel.
3rd. I believe the data for Bullinger's in both the info panel and when it is brought into the context menu should be hyper linked to his book.
Thanks for the suggestion. This makes sense, but we don't have an easy way to implement this right now.
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Jimmy Parks said:
As we are working on unifying all of our data, we will also make efforts to handle cases like this where we have explicitly overlapping data.
Sort of ... one is based on classical rhetoric, the other on modern linguistics; the classical rhetoric one contains only references given in Bullinger. It is not comprehensive; the modern linguistics model is comprehensive created by Logos.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Bradley Grainger (Logos) said:
Please make sure you have expanded all the labels in the context menu by clicking the little chevron
If I right click on "quench" I don't get it.
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If I select the phrase and right click just to the left of "quench" I get figures of speech but not the rest?
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You need to click this little > icon to expand all the labels in the context menu.
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Thanks Bradley for your responses! Seems I've bothered everybody with this now[:D]
Bradley Grainger (Logos) said:It does show up if you have the Bullinger Dataset.
I do have it.
Not sure why It is so finicky about where I right click to get it though. Seems like a bug.
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In my experience Bullinger has to be entered manually in Search.
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Bob Venem said:has to be entered manually in Search.
This is an example that is built automatically from the Context menu: figureofSpeech:(description:Implication AND name:Hypocatastasis)
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Bill said:
Not sure why It is so finicky about where I right click to get it though. Seems like a bug.
Can you give some examples? It should be the same "length" as the text of the figure of speech. I can't force an error.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Bradley Grainger (Logos) said:
You need to click this little > icon to expand all the labels in the context menu.
Booooy do I feel dumb. Thank you Bradley and everyone for being so patient and helpful with this old guy.
Now if there were just a link over there on the right side[:P]
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MJ. Smith said:
Can you give some examples?
Hi MJ
Thanks for helping out here.
If you look above, I posted a couple of screenshots above that comment. Depending on where I right clicked in the figure of speech "quench the Spirit" I got different results in the context menu, even though the whole phrase or verse was selected. That's what I meant by finicky.
In my last screenshot I simply right clicked on the word quench and got everything.
Hope that helps
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Bill said:
Booooy do I feel dumb.
You shouldn't. You were smart enough to keep asking until you understood. The first few years I used Logos, I had some very funny blind spots that took long threads before I finally saw what I was missing ... and most often it was small "obvious" things.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Bob Venem said:
"Context menu?"
The operational command center of Logos - right click menu. The left side/tab side is selection tabs; the right side is actions available for that selection.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:Bob Venem said:
"Context menu?"
The operational command center of Logos - right click menu. The left side/tab side is selection tabs; the right side is actions available for that selection.
I'm with Bill on this one. I've never noticed the arrows in the Context Menu before. Thanks, MJ (and Bill).
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