Details on new libraries
I haven't seen much conversation here about new libraries with the subscription plan. This link shows the books that come with the features subscriptions (Premium/Pro/Max), but will there be new libraries?
A vlogger (maybe you're here, Tanner?) claimed to have details on new libraries in this video. To summarize his claims:
- No denominational packages at launch, but should come in 2025
- Three new library sets at launch - Leader, Preacher, and Researcher - all with different tiers.
- These library sets correlate with Premium, Pro, and Max.
Am I just blind and missed this info? I'd love to learn more. And if this is redundant, I'll gladly delete the post.
Thanks!
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxGZ3YaPN2ZJ5sSompctXoipMvXdQ8MmTc?si=Wkl2_QR3yPTQEQYK
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Dru Lattin said:
I haven't seen much conversation here about new libraries with the subscription plan. This link shows the books that come with the features subscriptions (Premium/Pro/Max), but will there be new libraries?
You might find Mark's post at https://community.logos.com/forums/t/224861.aspx helpful
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Thanks, Graham! I knew there had to be something folks were going off of.
The key details from the link you shared:
First, new libraries will be available for subscribers to purchase.
- At launch, we'll offer Starter through Collectors, and some great new content will be included in those libraries. As usual, those libraries are discounted at around 90%. Libraries are yours to keep, and dynamic pricing means you won't pay twice if you already own some of the books.
- We'll also have some new libraries based around specific use cases, similar to the Academic, Preaching Suite, and Counseling libraries we offer with Logos 10. These libraries will align with our three subscription tiers, so there will be one set of libraries aimed at small group leaders, one set aimed at preachers, and one set aimed at those who love the original languages.
Any additional info, folks?
0 - At launch, we'll offer Starter through Collectors, and some great new content will be included in those libraries. As usual, those libraries are discounted at around 90%. Libraries are yours to keep, and dynamic pricing means you won't pay twice if you already own some of the books.
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I have been stewing (on low) about that awhile: non-subscribers can't purchase new libraries? It doesn't exactly say that.
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GaoLu said:
I have been stewing (on low) about that awhile: non-subscribers can't purchase new libraries? It doesn't exactly say that.
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Mark Barnes (Logos) said:1Cor10 31">
Will library prices vary depending on whether you are a subscriber or not?
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Will the libraries never be available for purchase if not a subscriber?
Current libraries have always been restricted to those who own a current feature set or a subscription, and we're not changing this restriction. You won't need a paid subscription to buy a library – a free trial will be sufficient.
(from here: https://community.logos.com/forums/t/224861.aspx)
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Yasmin Stephen said:Mark Barnes (Logos) said:
Current libraries have always been restricted to those who own a current feature set or a subscription, and we're not changing this restriction. You won't need a paid subscription to buy a library – a free trial will be sufficient.
I always found that quote to be mysterious. I've tried to exegete it several ways but it eludes me. I never heard of anyone complaining they couldn't buy a library from Faithlife (period), and certainly not since they didn't have a subscription or own a feature(s).
But in any event I won't be buying any libraries; don't want to rock their subscription boat.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Yasmin Stephen said:Mark Barnes (Logos) said:
1Cor10 31">
Will library prices vary depending on whether you are a subscriber or not?
OR
Will the libraries never be available for purchase if not a subscriber?
Current libraries have always been restricted to those who own a current feature set or a subscription, and we're not changing this restriction. You won't need a paid subscription to buy a library – a free trial will be sufficient.
(from here: https://community.logos.com/forums/t/224861.aspx)
That's a disappointing answer. I hope they'll reconsider it, because if that's how it works, they'll be leaving some of my money on the table. While I have no interest in a subscription, I would take a serious look at the new libraries - but I would not be comfortable signing up for a "free trial" that I fully intended to turn around and cancel just to get a discount on another purchase. That doesn't feel honest to me.
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DMB said:
I always found that quote to be mysterious.
But in any event I won't be buying any libraries; don't want to rock their subscription boat.
That is weird, indeed. I'm guessing that "legacy customers" - those who came into the new era with a purchased package - should be able to buy a library, regardless of whether or not they have an active subscription. That's what makes sense to me, anyhow. But I could be wrong about this brave new world. And newbies just canceling the trial after they buy their library...that's just weird.
DMB said:But in any event I won't be buying any libraries; don't want to rock their subscription boat.
I could be missing a joke here, but I'm not sure how buying libraries would rock their boat. You're saying you are so committed to supporting their new plan for subscription-first models, you don't want to waste money on permanent libraries? I've found the libraries to be so wonderfully helpful in buying a depth of content for not-very-much-money. I think a largish library will become more valuable in the AI era.
Thanks for sharing!
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DMB said:Mark Barnes (Logos) said:
Current libraries have always been restricted to those who own a current feature set or a subscription, and we're not changing this restriction. You won't need a paid subscription to buy a library – a free trial will be sufficient.
I always found that quote to be mysterious. I've tried to exegete it several ways but it eludes me. I never heard of anyone complaining they couldn't buy a library from Faithlife (period), and certainly not since they didn't have a subscription or own a feature(s).In prior years, most people were not on a subscription and thus conflated the library with the feature set. People thought they'd buy "Lutheran Gold" and the subscribers were able to only buy the library - which is what I most often did - and the non-subscribers actually bought the library plus the Full Feature Set but weren't given the opportunity to only buy the library (and I remember confusion in the forums when people compared their prices). The non-subscribers would only be offered the combo of features and library - and those who became aware of subscribers getting the library-only option actually sometimes did complain. Most often, however, it would look like people complained about "the package being so expensive, even on dynamic pricing" when they didn't realize it was the additional features they had to pay for - unlike subscribers.
Have joy in the Lord!
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NB.Mick said:
In prior years, most people were not on a subscription and thus conflated the library with the feature set.
Yep ... that'd be me. I didn't check to make sure I had the features (a requirement), before I bought the package ... the features came with it.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Dru Lattin said:
I could be missing a joke here, but I'm not sure how buying libraries would rock their boat.
I wouldn't sign up for a subscription, buy something, and then cancel. Similarly on Amazon, I don't do that (friends do, however). Plus I don't play (what I regard as) silly games. If they want to sell something, sell it. If they don't, that's fine.
Now, to further confuse! We have both Sams and Costco memberships. But that's different. Smiling.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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