Logos 10 on Tablet
I have been looking in the forum and there was a thread on using Logos on a tablet that ended in 2022. With all the changes in Logos, and I have Logos 10, does an Ipad still have an advantage over the Android within the software? I am mainly an android user and looking to get a table.
Would appreciate any comments and thoughts.
Howard
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I would say that there is a slight advantage for iPadOS. As an Apple Only users, I would want to stay within my ecosystem. If there is a similar ecosystem you prefer, that might be an advantage in your situation for Android.
Speaking in a bit more general terms, Apple does a better job of keeping devices "up to date." With Android, you are at the mercy of the manufacturer. It is my understanding that Samsung is a better company than many others. I would certainly lean towards a big name brand if you stick with Android.
Howard Goman said:Would appreciate any comments and thoughts.
What are your desires in a tablet specifically for logos? What are your desires for the tablet outside of Logos?
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Thank you for the comments. All mine are Samsung just for the reason you started. I have it on my phone, I use Samsung Galaxy Fold, looking for a bigger screen.
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just saw your question on usage. It will mainly, at this point, be used to take my notes, messages and sermons, from paper to electronic. I would like to use it more in place of my laptop for studying and taking notes. I do realize the laptop is better suited as the mobile app is a little different, but still, mainly logos at the moment. Not the entertainment or secular work tablet. With that said, not looking to spend $1,000 dollars on a tablet either.
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Howard Goman said:
Thank you for the comments. All mine are Samsung just for the reason you started. I have it on my phone, I use Samsung Galaxy Fold, looking for a bigger screen.
Sounds like you are already familiar with the Android app on Samsung. I switched from Android to iOS years ago and I'm never looking back ... but there is a big learning curve. If you already know Android then a transition to iOS would be a lot of effort. For me it was worth it. But maybe not for everyone.
With Logos the main benefit in platform choice would be moving to the desktop program. I have seen posts where people had used Android and iOS, and thought the iOS app was better, but neither of them does everything the desktop does. If you are already happy with Logos on your current Android devices, you will probably be happy on a newer Android device.
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Howard Goman said:
just saw your question on usage. It will mainly, at this point, be used to take my notes, messages and sermons, from paper to electronic.
I believe there are three main things suppported on iPads and not Android tablets at the moment - Universal Timeline, Canvas, and Draw on Screen.
So if you are not planning to use those then an Android tablet should be ok.
If you want to use the Sermon Builder on Android it requires a subscription whereas it was bundled in iPads with Logos 10 features.
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Thank you very much. Interesting that it is included on IPad and not Android.
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It is probably not what you are looking for as it would cost more, but often overlooked is the Surface Pro Tablet. On this, you can operate Logos in the desktop version. I probably agree with what has already been said concerning android and IOS. I am not in the IOS environment, but I would go with IOS if I needed to operate Logos on a tablet. But for me, I found the Surface Pro to beat even that. I have the full desktop version on the Surface Pro Tablet.
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When reading all the comments, I just thought of the surface pro and started looking at them. Most that are inexpensive have windows 10, which will be discontinued by microsoft next year, but I would expect logos to go on for some time after that, supporting windows 10, making even windows 10 still a good option. I have a work computer so a full blown computer/laptop is not the goal. Something light and portable for teaching, preaching, studying and carrying with me is. That is why I started looking at tablets, but I am liking the idea of the surface.
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Surfrace pro 6, 7 and X can be upgraded to windows 11. I have surface pro 8 and it has windows 11. Logos on Surface Pro works really well. For me, the issues of Logos on a tablet don't exist. I just use the desktop verion on the Surface Pro.
As chips change to ARM, at this point, it is important to NOT get an ARM device in the windows environment as it is unsupported by Faithlife at the moment. That is understandable, but sad. Still, the Surface Pro works great. Lenovo and others also have similar tablets. I have used them and they also run Logos desktop well. But I got hooked on the Surface Pro beginning with version 7.
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Mark said:
It is probably not what you are looking for as it would cost more, but often overlooked is the Surface Pro Tablet. On this, you can operate Logos in the desktop version. I probably agree with what has already been said concerning android and IOS. I am not in the IOS environment, but I would go with IOS if I needed to operate Logos on a tablet. But for me, I found the Surface Pro to beat even that. I have the full desktop version on the Surface Pro Tablet.
The newest Surface Pro 11 is based upon a new ARM processor which is not supported by Logos at this time. Some report Logos desktop runs under emulation, but many have reported problems. There are several threads about this.
The older Intel based models might still work well for Logos desktop ... and are probably less expensive too [:)]
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Howard Goman said:
When reading all the comments, I just thought of the surface pro and started looking at them. Most that are inexpensive have windows 10, which will be discontinued by microsoft next year, but I would expect logos to go on for some time after that, supporting windows 10, making even windows 10 still a good option. I have a work computer so a full blown computer/laptop is not the goal. Something light and portable for teaching, preaching, studying and carrying with me is. That is why I started looking at tablets, but I am liking the idea of the surface.
There are several threads about the newest Surface Pro's ... here is one of them ...
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I was glad Mark added in the different versions of the surface as I am not familiar with them, yet. I did notice on the logos site that the ARM and X were not supported. Looking at amazon and on the net, I found some options as low as roughly $300 for an older version and the new ones, well, they go way up there. LOL. Overall, this looks like a good option to get off my work computer without the need of the fullsize laptop or desktop.
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Howard Goman said:
this looks like a good option
Which? If you are talking about the Surface, you need to spend $$$$. Otherwise, it might not work.
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I have found there is a quirky limitation on Android vs. iPad OS. When I do a library search for say, biblical theology, iPadOS pulls up way more resources in my library than Android. The difference was so great that I filed a bug report on this.
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The Surface Pro 10 for business would be the top model with an intel chip. About a month or so later, Microsoft released the ARM version. As I mentioned, the ARM version is not the one to purchase. Any Surface Pro with an intel chip will run Logos very well. The Surface Pro 10 for business I see starts at $1200. I have the Surface Pro 8 which runs Logos very, very well.
Surface Pro computers have a typical lifespan of 6 years. If you get an older version, make sure you pay attention to the specs. But yes, you can get an older version for a good price.
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One thing that hasn't been mentioned in this thread about the Surface Pro, but has been mentioned in others, is that Logos is not made to be tablet-friendly in the desktop version that runs on the Surface Pro. You can navigate it by clicking the controls with the Surface pen, with the trackpad on the Surface keyboard, or a regular mouse. But don't expect to be able to do this with your fingers.
The Android and iPadOs mobile apps are touch-first, but the desktop version is meant to be navigated with the traditional pointing devices.
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Bill, something to remember. I hadn't thought about that being it is in desktop mode/version.
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Bill Anderson said:
But don't expect to be able to do this with your fingers.
Bill, that is a fair point. I use the pen or the mouse. Works great with the mouse on my knee. But it may not work well for others. There are always trade offs. I am glad that I can have the full version on a tablet and I am glad I dont need to have a laptop and tablet...I have a machine that is 2 in 1. In one sense that can save money. You have to think of what is best for you. The IPad is certainly the top of the line for logos on tablet. But a 2 in 1 laptop/tablet means an even better experience than Ipad can offer. Still, it all depends on what you want and what your needs are. Besides Surface Pro, you can look into other 2 in 1 tablets. But remember what Bill said. Logos on the desktop version is not very touch friendly. What I have not done is to use my fingers to navigate as if I was only able to use the functions that Android would give to you. Maybe then it would be more touch friendly. I don't know.
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