Book without page numbers
I own a book in epub/pdf version of the book The Pharisees edited by Joseph Sievers and Amy-Jill Levine. But it does not have any page numbers. If I import it to Logos will it give me the correct page numbers? I do not own a print copy and no library within a 212 mile radius has a copy of this book. I am not doing well finding it. I am trying to cite it but cannot do so without page numbers.
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Christian Alexander said:
I own a book in epub/pdf version of the book The Pharisees edited by Joseph Sievers and Amy-Jill Levine. But it does not have any page numbers. If I import it to Logos will it give me the correct page numbers?
I'm not sure what exactly you mean by "import to Logos".
- If you build a Personal Book from the ePub, it won't contain page numbers.
- If you put it into your Print Library and search quotes from the ePub, Logos will find them and give you the page number, yes.
EDIT: but you should be able to cite electronic resources without page numbers - how exactly is up to the style guide you are required to follow.
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I was going to build a Personal Book with it as an ePub. I do not own Logos 10 to get the access to add to print library. I searched for SBL & Chicago. I know SBL style follows the Notes & Bibliography style very closely. I was told to follow Chicago when SBL did not specify. My scholar friend said that just citing a book that has page numbers originally as an electronic resource without page numbers was not a good practice. So I was a bit weary.
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Christian Alexander said:
I was going to build a Personal Book with it as an ePub.
The will only contain the index information you put in, including page index. Where should the information come from?
Why should that be?Christian Alexander said:My scholar friend said that just citing a book that has page numbers originally as an electronic resource without page numbers was not a good practice.
On the other hand, maybe take a look again into your PDF. While ePubs and Kindle books nearly never contain page numbers, PDF editions often do, as PDF is intended to resemble printed material.
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Christian Alexander said:
My scholar friend said that just citing a book that has page numbers originally as an electronic resource without page numbers was not a good practice.
It is true page numbers are preferred because they are more convenient, but scholars have always cited unpaged documents - personal papers, historical documents, etc. What is crucial is that you cite correctly whatever source you actually used. And electronic documents are becoming the norm.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:Christian Alexander said:
My scholar friend said that just citing a book that has page numbers originally as an electronic resource without page numbers was not a good practice.
If page numbers are available and accessible, you should use them. How much should you go out of your way to get them? You have said that the book isn't available to you locally. I would argue that if you are having a paper published, you should go well out of your way to get the page numbers. My students are not doing so, consequently I would not require them in your situation. (Our textbooks, available in Logos, do have page numbers... so I expect them).
I have mentioned to you previously that you can do an inter-library loan. That still remains an option for you.
Last thought on this subject: Logos should create a new citation style with the ability to click on a link and get something like the "print library" feature (if unowned by the user).
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In the PB you can add the page numbers if you have access to a source with it.
For citing from a page numberless source. Give some part of the phrase if it is an indirect citation, so the reader can find the source. For a direct citation this is not needed as he can find it easy.
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JT (alabama24) said:
Last thought on this subject: Logos should create a new citation style with the ability to click on a link and get something like the "print library" feature (if unowned by the user)
I agree with this. I really like to keep all my research in Logos.
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JT (alabama24) said:
If page numbers are available and accessible, you should use them.
Go with the standard of your school or publisher. I was taught to reference what you actually used.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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How hard is it to ask the publisher for a copy of the PDF before making the digital copy? Then the person creating the Logos integration file simply adds page numbers. So simple and so helpful to those who use Logos to write papers for any level of academic training or otherwise.
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When publishers send the electronic files to Logos/Verbum, they most likely use the industry standard EPUB for Logos and some form of MOBI for Amazon. If they sent PDF's that would add another complex layer of conversion to create the book in the Logos proprietary format. The page numbers would not necessarily match with those of the original printed book, making them useless for academic reference purpose. But a very nice idea if I thought it would work.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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