A Question for Logos/Verbum Dual Users

Frank Hodges · 2024-12-16T00:03:30+00:00

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I've always ran Logos and Verbum on my desktop PC but never downloaded many resources in my Verbum install (I kept it on Verbum 9 and on offline mode as a "just in case"). I've recently decided that I should probably primarily be running Verbum rather than Logos, considering (for my own use case) the only downside is a couple minor changes in what specific features are called even though they function the same.
I essentially have one reason for switching… I like the ability to search the Catechism, Church Fathers, and Church Documents on Verbum. I know this can be achieved through Collections, but it just makes sense to me to not have to build and maintain any extra collections if it's already built into the program. There's a few other small benefits to me switching over as well, but nothing game changing.
The only con I can really see is the change from Sermon Builder to Homily Builder, which of course is just a matter of preference, there's no substantive change other than getting used to typing in "ho" rather than "se" when trying to open it. I don't use Sermon Builder much anyway to be honest, I much typing sermons and studies on Word and syncing them to my ebook because there's just less moving parts… but I digress.
Before I go too much into a rabbit hole of why I'm switching, I have a couple questions for anyone who either: runs both Verbum and Logos or has switched from one to the other in the past. Mainly I would like to know if there's any changes in my workflows that I may not be able to foresee. I have Logos installed on around 6 or 7 devices. I really am only planning on deleting Logos from my desktop. Would I run into any problems by running Verbum (with no Logos install) on my desktop, and keeping Logos installed on my laptop, iPad, iPhone, ebook, etc? Would I run into any problems with syncing from Verbum to Logos on any of my other devices? Most of the grunt work is done on my desktop and the rest of my devices are used to reference that work. I do use Proclaim on occasion, my FL account is connected to my church's Proclaim, would this possibly cause any issues? I don't use FL Sermons (or Logos sermons as it's now called), and Verbum's default prioritization is already overridden by my resource prioritization.
Normally I wouldn't stress on it, but I have older devices that take hours to index and the thought of getting stuck between a rock and a hard place at the most inopportune time gives me a bit of anxiety.
Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated.

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MJ. Smith

@James Johnson

I will not use verbum because I will NEVER support faithlife in heretical programs

Logos & Verbum are the same program. To support one is to support the other. The application itself is incapable of being heretical. However, the user is able to purchase a range of resources ranging from the so heretical as to be humorous, to the normal range of much of the text being erroneous to almost no erroneous materials.

Please read the forum rules. You, like everyone in the forums, are subject to the guidelines of Logos.

Graham Criddle

Would I run into any problems by running Verbum (with no Logos install) on my desktop, and keeping Logos installed on my laptop, iPad, iPhone, ebook, etc? Would I run into any problems with syncing from Verbum to Logos on any of my other devices?

Hi @Frank Hodges - I wouldn't anticipate any issues at all.

I have Logos & Verbum installed on two desktop / laptop devices and just Windows on another desktop. I also have Logos and Verbum on two mobile devices and there is no problem in syncing between them.

I know you mentioned you don't really use Sermon Builder but thought it worth noting a change introduced in Logos / Verbum 38 (from the release notes):

Sermon Builder

Popular Quotes on the Verbum app now has its own curated dataset of quotes.

And it is possible that other slight differences may be introduced over time (or already exist). They would have the potential of causing a slight discontinuity between the different environments.

DMB

Personally, I don't think it makes much difference … I use Verbum because I like the little triangle, instead of the magnifying glass. I'm just illustrating the major difference. And yes, vocabulary here and there, and yes, some collections.

Over the years, I've been disappointed, FL leadership did so little, regarding Verbum. It 'could' have been developed more toward a liturgical support app (one possibility) and also more toward a group-daily-living app, using background Bible and church materials. I had the same disappointment on the evangel side of the house, not integrating the app into a church environment (always individual use driving the designs).

Aaron Hamilton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1349316#Comment_1349316

The guidelines exist to encourage a helpful and supportive community. People will not benefit from or be won over to any perspective by reading vague and generalized offensive, disrespectful, or inconsiderate comments to the contrary of what they believe. Perhaps you would like to create a Faithlife discussion group where such theological conversations could take place in a more constructive manner?

James Johnson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1349357#Comment_1349357

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1349331#Comment_1349331

ban me. oh wait, you cant.

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

ban me. oh wait, you cant.

I mean… we can?

Please stay within the forum guidelines or I will grant your request to be banned.

Frank Hodges

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1349333#Comment_1349333

Thank you Graham, that's very helpful.

Sorry to spark a bunch of hubbub all, I sincerely didn't think that the mere mention of Verbum would cause that.

I appreciate your guys' thoughtful answers.

I'm going to leave Logos installed for a little while on my SSD, until I determine I don't have enough space on my SSD to reasonably run both. Then I'll delete and reinstall Logos on my bigger HDD, which just occurred to me is an option.

Frank Hodges

Today I learned that by using Verbum, I'm supporting the Catholics at Faithlife.

If everyone switches to Verbum from Logos we may get the Ignatius Catholic Study Bible sooner.

James Johnson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1349459#Comment_1349459

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1349357#Comment_1349357

If you find calling Catholic theology heretical offensive then you should learn the Gospel. I do not need some online platform to discus this, I do it on the street corners of the most liberal city in the world, winning souls for Christ.

MJ. Smith

If you find calling Catholic theology heretical offensive then you should learn the Gospel. I do not need some online platform to discus this, I do it on the street corners of the most liberal city in the world, winning souls for Christ.

Please show me your exegetical skills by following the guidelines. Your preaching on street corner is appropriate; your comments in the forums are not. It is my understanding that Amsterdam is the most liberal city in the world.

James Johnson

YOU can ban me, you're an admin. MJ smith cant. Hence why I was being sarcastic. I see this person on the forums being rude all the time to people and pretending like they are an admin. I do not care about this forum, it don't even have dark mode, and is blinding to read, something @MJ. Smith would fight about getting because they are selfish and state they cant read dark mode, not taking into consideration other people who cant read in light mode. I comment a few times here and there to help people, but when I see this heretical garbage hindering brothers and sisters in Christ I WILL always say something. God First, I don't care about your rules, or the government laws stating I cant preach to the lost. Ill do it on all platforms. All you can do is ban me. nothing else.

MJ. Smith

YOU can ban me, you're an admin. MJ smith cant. Hence why I was being sarcastic.

No, I am asked by the guidelines to gently encourage you to follow the guidelines and to turn the problem over to Logos personnel if you don't accept a gentle hint. I am sorry you do not approve of my style of communication.

Aaron Hamilton

James, it seemed to me that you have appreciated the help you've received in these forums. Getting yourself banned will prevent you from asking for help in the future. Is that really what you're going for?

Your use of the term "Catholic theology" is so generalized as to be almost meaningless in discussion. Even if discussion on the topic were appropriate, I would have no idea where to begin. Much of what would typically be considered Catholic theology likely aligns closely with what you believe. So yes, I do find such grossly generalized comments to be offensive and unhelpful.

I understand that at this point there is likely little value in multiplying words. But you pointed to the Gospel in your reply to me. Jesus served the world in the most beautiful and powerful way by laying down His life in service and sacrifice from the day He was born until the day He died. Following His example, a genuine heart invested in loving service will accomplish immeasurably more than harsh and judgemental words.

DMB

My impression (ignoring the theological claims of the protestants vs the Catholics) is that one largely reflects a Palestine approach (gospels, early Acts, Catholic), the other western Asia (later Acts, Paulines, evangels). Much can be gained by looking at what they actually 'do' relative to early church history …. Logos library!

Jason Stone (Logos)

Thank you all for participating in this discussion. We want to remind everyone that our Logos Community Guidelines (found here) are in place to ensure a positive and constructive environment for all users.

To the OP, @Frank Hodges: Please don’t feel discouraged! Your question was completely valid, and the mention of Verbum should not have sparked this kind of response. You’re always welcome to ask similar questions here—we’re here to help you get the most out of Logos and related tools.

That said, this thread has unfortunately veered into theological debate, which is outside the scope of this community. As a reminder, our focus is on supporting one another in using our applications effectively, not debating theology or doctrine.

Given the tone and content of this conversation, we will be closing this thread. Thank you for your understanding and for helping us maintain a welcoming and supportive space for everyone.