How do I find words in the Hebrew Bible that contain two accents?

Hi @Dick Roberts .

By "accent" do you mean cantillations? Or do you mean vowels? Or marks in general?

Can you provide an example of what you're trying to find to start the conversation?

I referring to 2 cantillation marks on one word as in Gen 1.2

Hi @Dick Roberts

I need to confess that while I wrote the code that created the cantillation display graphs for Logos, I've forgotten pretty much everything I ever knew about cantillations since then. I've attached an image of the graph; can you tell me which word we're talking about? I want to make sure I understand exactly so I can better understand the data behind it to try and help you find other occurrences.

the term ‘tohu ’ has two cantillationl marks; (a wasteland)

any answers? Is it possible to search for cantillation marks at all?

https://community.logos.com/kb/articles/2162

Yes, it is! For example to search for words like תֹ֙הוּ֙ (Genesis 1:2) that have a Pashta cantillation mark you could type or cut and past the following into the search bar: cantillation:(name:Pashta AND rank:Duke AND type:Disjunctive)

this search picks up both single and double occurances of the Pashta accent See below (or try it yourself):

You can search for Cantillation mark patterns, too! So, say you would like to search for the following pattern

Merkha - Tifha - Munnach - Athnah - Maqqef - Sof Pasuq

You would type something like the following in the search bar/window:

cantillation:(name:Merkha AND type:Conjunctive) THEN cantillation:(name:Tifha AND rank:King AND type:Disjunctive) THEN cantillation:(name:Munnach AND type:Conjunctive) THEN cantillation:(name:Athnah AND rank:Emperor AND type:Disjunctive) THEN cantillation:(name:Maqqef AND type:Conjunctive) THEN cantillation:(name:"Sof Pasuq" AND rank:"High Emperor" AND type:Disjunctive)

See below:

AND, now my friend, you have the power!

thank you; very helpful - is there a way to limit the search to words with double cantillation marks? Also where would I find documentation for cantillation searches

Hello @Dick Roberts

is there a way to limit the search to words with double cantillation marks?

As far as I can tell there does not seem to be a way to limit a double accent search to one word. Unless you use the, match.accents: command and you specify the word. For example if you wanted to find every place in the Tanakh/Hebrew Bible were  תֹ֙הוּ֙ (Genesis 1:2) has two pashta then you would type the following on to the command line/search bar match.accents: תֹ֙הוּ֙ you would find Genesis 1:2 and Isa 59:4 see below:

where would I find documentation for cantillation searches?

In the Lexham Hebrew Bible: Cantillation Analysis Documentation

In addition to the above information

When you highlight a word in the Lexham Hebrew Bible like the word for the Heavens a box like the following should pop-up. Now look at the top right side of the box and notice the three dots. Hover over or click in the three dots

and then a dialogue box/menue should show up in this box you can find information about the cantillation/accent on the word you clicked on. You can copy and paste to use this information to run your searches with:

You might also explore what the syntax search against the cantillation clause visualization allows.

Sure, a syantx search an a single accent will pick up both words with a single accent and words with two of the same accents, but as far as I can tell there is no way to limit the search to only words which contain a double accent.

thank you for all the help — truly appreciated

Oh, more thing I forgot to show you.

It might be alittle easier (at least sometimes) to do some of the accents/cantillation marks as a syntax search. Here is a screenshot of how you might set one up if you were searching for Tisha:

and here is a screenshot of the results:

Grace and Peace,

Brian

Thanks, @BKMitchell , for following up on this. Things got busy for me and I didn't have the time to get back to this. Thank you for providing clear explanations!

This search approach is flawed, because terms like Duke and King are interpretive and there is no consensus on the interpretation by experts. eg Sophia Pitcher's recent phd on cantillation debunks, imo, the continual dichotomy thesis, which is the basis of the King, Duke etc markup. So we need to be able to search simply for groups of adjacent accents, independently of these additional tags. I'm not sure if that can be done with Logos.

thanks for the comment

I think it would be great if Logos fully allowed for regular expression types of searches. Then one would not need to search on any of the accent tags at all, and one would also be able to combine accents with vowel searches irrespective of the consonants.

Yes, it is! For example to search for words like תֹ֙הוּ֙ (Genesis 1:2) that have a Pashta cantillation mark you could type or cut and past the following into the search bar: cantillation:(name:Pashta AND rank:Duke AND type:Disjunctive)

this search picks up both single and double occurances of the Pashta accent See below (or try it yourself):

You can search for Cantillation mark patterns, too! So, say you would like to search for the following pattern

Merkha - Tifha - Munnach - Athnah - Maqqef - Sof Pasuq

You would type something like the following in the search bar/window:

cantillation:(name:Merkha AND type:Conjunctive) THEN cantillation:(name:Tifha AND rank:King AND type:Disjunctive) THEN cantillation:(name:Munnach AND type:Conjunctive) THEN cantillation:(name:Athnah AND rank:Emperor AND type:Disjunctive) THEN cantillation:(name:Maqqef AND type:Conjunctive) THEN cantillation:(name:"Sof Pasuq" AND rank:"High Emperor" AND type:Disjunctive)

See below:

AND, now my friend, you have the power!

Hello @Dick Roberts

is there a way to limit the search to words with double cantillation marks?

As far as I can tell there does not seem to be a way to limit a double accent search to one word. Unless you use the, match.accents: command and you specify the word. For example if you wanted to find every place in the Tanakh/Hebrew Bible were  תֹ֙הוּ֙ (Genesis 1:2) has two pashta then you would type the following on to the command line/search bar match.accents: תֹ֙הוּ֙ you would find Genesis 1:2 and Isa 59:4 see below:

where would I find documentation for cantillation searches?

In the Lexham Hebrew Bible: Cantillation Analysis Documentation

thank you for all the help — truly appreciated

Thanks, @BKMitchell , for following up on this. Things got busy for me and I didn't have the time to get back to this. Thank you for providing clear explanations!

I think it would be great if Logos fully allowed for regular expression types of searches. Then one would not need to search on any of the accent tags at all, and one would also be able to combine accents with vowel searches irrespective of the consonants.