Discepancy in Factbook/Bible/People Places and Things

NetworkGeek · 2025-07-04T23:39:52+00:00

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HI all, I was watching Mark Barnes' overview of v. 43, and I saw an odd thing. He was showing a non-subscriber version, Bible lens, introducing the new People Places & Things for non-subscribers. He pointed out how it gives them a "taste" of the feature - note it shows 1 relative, and offers 10 more on a trial subscription:

Yet I have a very large library, Verbum Max subscriber, and when I run this in the Factbook, I only see 5 relatives. Why the difference?

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MJ. Smith

It is odd - I added bug in the tags as something is clearly wrong

NetworkGeek

Also, a few minutes later in the video "want's new in v.43" @Mark Barnes (Logos) showed a non-subscriber 'teaser' where for Mt 11:24 in the ESV, the Insights panel shows that there is a parallel passage but you have to subscribe to see it. Yet when I check Mt 11:24, there is no parallel passage? So that's two oddities.

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1373387#Comment_1373387

Here is what I see.

Dave Hooton

Yet I have a very large library, Verbum Max subscriber, and when I run this in the Factbook, I only see 5 relatives.

Topic Guide offers far less for Relatives of Jesus…

Martin Dunn

Maybe Verbum Max rejects all the "brothers of Jesus" :)

Joe McCune (Faithlife)

I do not experience either of the two oddities mentioned in this thread. Is anyone else still experiencing them?

Joe McCune (Faithlife)

It has been brought to my attention that the reason why I see different results for relatives of Jesus is because I am using Logos, not Verbum.

Within Verbum we reflect the view that Jesus did not have biological siblings.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1374991#Comment_1374991

As a conservative Catholic, this raises my ire just as much as your anachronistic tagging of Genesis to "please" your evangelical crowd. Your tagging should be theological neutral to the extent that is possible. Where scripture says "brother" you better give me brother … I am perfectly capable of adding step- or half- or adopted- as necessary. Don't ever have your tagging reflect ANYTHING other than the text. My confidence in my research through Logos/Verbum has just dropped another notch … the use but verify, verify, verify rule is amplified.

DMB

Well, cousin maybe. Jerome (and greek).

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1375005#Comment_1375005

Off topic sort of … my favorite "they don't name them like we do" relationship is from southern India. The rule is that a girl is to marry the son of her mother's brother. Until she is married, she calls all boys meeting the criteria "husband"; when she is married, she calls her husband "husband" and all the others "cousin". (At least that is what my Tamil prof taught me.) I am very willing to admit I know little about the naming of kinship relationship either in Greece or in the Holy Land in New Testament times … so I'd have to research the meaning of "brother" … yes, cousin is an option I've frequently heard, step-brother is an option I've heard a bit less frequently. I prefer the kinship diagrams to the simplification to current Western (English?) terms.

DMB

I forget too. Mark and Barnabas also a bouncy tangle.

Graham Criddle

As a conservative Catholic, this raises my ire just as much as your anachronistic tagging of Genesis to "please" your evangelical crowd. Your tagging should be theological neutral to the extent that is possible

I agree absolutely with @MJ. Smith here

And I also find it strange that the Factbook Tool in Verbum doesn't seem to recognise the person Jesus as a lookup (whereas Logos shows it at the top of the list)

Ryan Gano (Logos)

Graham, is your Verbum app running offline (and possibly with non-updated resources)?

I don't have a working copy of Verbum at hand but the results should be the same whether in desktop or web (because the autocomplete list is generated online for both).

This is the result I get in app.verbum.com:

Kiyah

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1375012#Comment_1375012

Graham, I'm not having that issue in my Verbum test account that is running v44 Beta 2. I get the suggestion for Person Jesus Christ.

Graham Criddle

Hi @Ryan Gano (Logos)

Graham, is your Verbum app running offline (and possibly with non-updated resources)?

I was online but had recently changed Logos passwords which was causing a lookup issue.

Having restarted the app it is all working correctly now

Thanks, Graham