Visual filter to highlight good & bad kings of Israel/Judah
I love the power of Logos' visual filters. I've created one that highlights all the good and bad kings of Israel and Judah. It's really helpful to get some context when reading about kings whose names you recognize, but you might not remember their backstory.
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Dude... you are clearly in the power user category!
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Very nice Mark, good job![Y]
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Thanks Donovan and Brian!
I added some colored underlining to indicate whether the kings were from Israel or Judah.
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Great idea Mark! I'm going to borrow this. Good job. [Y]
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You can share visual filters online with the community. (hint, hint!)
No pressure. Just curious if you had learned how that worked in this platform yet.
Seeing @Brian's work on Original languages makes me wish that there was a way to share layouts or centrally post our favourites. I would love to see some community awards and focus on this as it would enhance us all using the platform more effectively.
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Donovan R. Palmer said:
You can share visual filters online with the community. (hint, hint!)
I didn't know you could do that! I'll refine my filter a little (I need to make sure it's not highlighting individuals with the same name) and then I'll post it.
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Yes, this is really nice
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Mark Allison said:
I didn't know you could do that! I'll refine my filter a little (I need to make sure it's not highlighting individuals with the same name) and then I'll post it.
I think this is a very interesting use case for a visual filter. I see that I am going to need to have a play some winter afternoon.
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Mark Allison said:
This is such a neat visual filter! I look forward to when you are able to share it 😊
Off-topic: Do you mind sharing what font you are using for your books? I really like the look of it.
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Yasmin Stephen said:
Off-topic: Do you mind sharing what font you are using for your books? I really like the look of it.
I am going to guess that is one of the Gentium fonts. Probably GuentiumAlt. Why? It is my current favourite. If it isn't, then maybe I have a new favourite!
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Donovan R. Palmer said:
I am going to guess that is one of the Gentium fonts. Probably GuentiumAlt. Why? It is my current favourite. If it isn't, then maybe I have a new favourite!
Thanks for the names! I went searching and it looks very much like Gentium Plus. I really like the look of it - it seems to have just the right amount of serif (if that makes any sense!). Now to see how to get it onto my computer and into Logos.
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Yasmin Stephen said:
Thanks for the names! I went searching and it looks very much like Gentium Plus. I really like the look of it - it seems to have just the right amount of serif (if that makes any sense!). Now to see how to get it onto my computer and into Logos.
I get it. I am pretty fussy about my selection of fonts. The Gentium family is my current favourite.
I am also partial to the Accordance Hebrew and Greek fonts. Mark posted a link on how to use them in Logos. https://community.logos.com/forums/p/224348/1308041.aspx#1308041
I would love to have more control over text spacing, layout and background colours. I need to go searching for a feedback item to vote on or build one myself.
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Yasmin Stephen said:
Now to see how to get it onto my computer and into Logos.
I got it ... yay! 👏🏽
And I didn't need to do anything in Logos; the font simply showed up in Logos after I installed it on my computer.
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Donovan R. Palmer said:
I would love to have more control over text spacing and layout.
Yes, spacing is the first thing I noticed when I opened my Bible with the font installed. I'm mostly indifferent to line spacing when I'm reading but it is particularly visible with this font.
I searched the feedback site and found this suggestion but it's very lonely in terms of votes: https://feedback.logos.com/boards/logos-desktop-app/posts/margin-line-spacing-and-column
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Yasmin Stephen said:
I searched the feedback site and found this suggestion but it's very lonely in terms of votes: https://feedback.logos.com/boards/logos-desktop-app/posts/margin-line-spacing-and-column
This is a good find. I searched for this a while back, but gave up.
Space could be more economically used if we could have more controls. Also readability for some use cases.
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Mark Allison said:Donovan R. Palmer said:
You can share visual filters online with the community. (hint, hint!)
I didn't know you could do that! I'll refine my filter a little (I need to make sure it's not highlighting individuals with the same name) and then I'll post it.
If you add the tag "regent:role:king" it should keep you from those kinds of mistakes.
Using Logos as a pastor, seminary professor, and Tyndale author
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Justin Gatlin said:
If you add the tag "regent:role:king" it should keep you from those kinds of mistakes.
That was a brilliant idea! Sadly, it captures other associated ideas too.
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Weird! I assumed an "and" search would restrict it to where the names are the surface text. I'll have to play with that.
Using Logos as a pastor, seminary professor, and Tyndale author
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Justin Gatlin said:
Weird! I assumed an "and" search would restrict it to where the names are the surface text. I'll have to play with that.
When I use an AND search, it doesn't highlight anything.
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Oops. It should be INTERSECTS. Hoshea* INTERSECTS regent:role:king
Equivalently, you could do Hoshea* INTERSECTS person:"Hoshea (king)"
But the formatting of the entry for person is inconsistent and so copying and pasting the regent tag for all of them would be faster and easier.
Using Logos as a pastor, seminary professor, and Tyndale author
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Still no joy with "Hoshea INTERSECTS regent:role:king"
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Search highlighting overrides visual filters. You have to clear your inline search to see it.
Using Logos as a pastor, seminary professor, and Tyndale author
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Mark Allison said:
Hoshea INTERSECTS regent:role:king"
It also looks as though tagging is intermittent - this is from running a search for regent:role:king
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Graham Criddle said:Mark Allison said:
Hoshea INTERSECTS regent:role:king"
It also looks as though tagging is intermittent - this is from running a search for regent:role:king
Good catch, Graham. At first, I assumed that the "ninth year of Hoshea" might be missing the regent tag because it is a time reference, but in 2 Kings 18:1, "the third year of Hoshea" does have the tagging. For maximum accuracy, it might be worth it to use the person tags. For a quick reference to identify good and bad kings when reading consecutively, the shortcut is probably sufficient.
Using Logos as a pastor, seminary professor, and Tyndale author
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Graham Criddle said:
It also looks as though tagging is intermittent - this is from running a search for regent:role:king
Something else is going on:
but
I would have expected these to be the same but they differ by 3 results:
The three are interesting cases which leave me confused re: the tagging
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
The three are interesting cases which leave me confused re: the tagging
Isn't it simply that in those cases the regent tagging is missing?
Or am I missing something else?
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I am really glad to see this emerge about the tagging Issues around regent. It did not appear consistent, so I concluded there was something I needed to learn and decided it was a task for another day.
I don’t want to cast a cloud over the tagging in Logos, but this is not the first time that I have went tag diving and abandoned ship. Maybe it was me and my thick head, but I also think there are some errors and inconsistencies that need corrected. Because it is not as obvious as a surface text typo, it seems to be a real task to unearth it.
Maybe as we dream about a new text comparison tool, it could function as a type of interlinear and also allow us to view tagging.
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Donovan R. Palmer said:
but I also think there are some errors and inconsistencies that need corrected.
There are inconsistencies and errors but there is also a failure on the part of the user - in this case me - to recognize exactly what they are coding:
This dataset annotates instances of people fulfilling these roles in the Biblical text.
For example, Aaron is a Priest, but in the Biblical text there are times when he is specifically fulfilling the role of High Priest, and other times when he is generally fulfilling or representing the role of a Priest. There are other mentions of Aaron that have nothing to do with him being a Priest. This dataset annotates the instances where Aaron is Priest and applies the role of Priest or High Priest appropriate to present context. Thus one person (Aaron) may be annotated as a Priest, a High Priest, or a mention of Aaron may not be annotated at all for the purposes of this dataset.
Notice the portion I placed in bold ... the part I started off not recognizing. I suspect it accounts for the first discrepancy.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Graham Criddle said:
Isn't it simply that in those cases the regent tagging is missing?
Or am I missing something else?
Not necessarily ... see my quote from the documentation in the post preceding this. The tagging is not just on the person but rather on the person-role pair in context. I made the initial mistake of thinking the coding related just to the individual.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
Not necessarily ... see my quote from the documentation in the post preceding this. The tagging is not just on the person but rather on the person-role pair in context. I made the initial mistake of thinking the coding related just to the individual.
I think in a lot of cases it is me. This search highlights some things in my use of Logos.
- If I hit a dead end on using tags, I need to go dig through the documentation like you have just done. I'll resist the temptation to kick it into the long grass for another occasion!
- I need to pay a bit more attention to the 'Other' section in the Information Pane. I generally ignore what comes up in this section, but I think this is a good catalyst to keep expanding my knowledge of tagging. In particular, the Bible Sense Lexicon is something I could use a bit more.
- I am going to stop being lazy. Sometimes when I am exploring a theme, I will just search using some words and then sift through the results manually. I think if I become more proficient in using tags to narrow my search, it will help. This search example has pushed me in a good way to think about this.
Great forum thread. Every day is a school day!
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Played around with this this morning.
Here is my visual filter (works in all languages, Old and New Testament):
Visual filter:
Highlight palette:
I ran into a few tagging errors which would need to be fixed by Logos:
Logos tags Joash king of Judah and Joash king of Israel backwards in 2 Kings 14:23.
Not sure why it tags "LORD" in 2 Kings 22:18 even after I specifically tell it not to:
person:"Josiah (king of Judah)" INTERSECTS (morph.h:NP???? OR morph.g:XP OR morph.g:N) NOT EQUALS person:"Kingdom of Judah" NOT EQUALS person:"God"
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Wow, that's awesome Robert! Thanks for sharing!
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@Robert Kelbe Any idea why "brothers" is highlighted in Matthew 1:11?
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Looks like its tagged as person:"Zedekiah (king)"… Technically correct, though you could modify the visual filter to exclude it:
person:"Zedekiah (king)" INTERSECTS (morph.h:NP???? OR morph.g:XP OR morph.g:N) NOT EQUALS person:"Kingdom of Judah" NOT EQUALS lemma.g:ἀδελφός
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I'm sort of new to Logos, so I'm still trying to figure these things out: how can you tell that "brothers" is tagged as person?
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@Robert Kelbe Thanks much! I've been reading from 1 & 2 Chronicles lately and this thread came to mind more than once for me to come begging for someone to share the filter.
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In the right click menu (I believe you can also find it in the "Information" sidebar, by clicking "Show more information). Another tip is when you click on the tag for Zedekiah (king) on the LH side, you can either Search: Bible or Copy reference: Search in the RH side to get the search parameters to do a search/visual filter for that particular tag.
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Thank you very much, Robert, for sharing your very helpful filter!
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This is such a fun thread!
Thank you @Mark Allison for starting it, and thank you @Robert Kelbe for that awesome filter.
There is so much to learn!
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I just tweaked that Highlight palette further by adding:
"JG" - for Judah Good … meaning good king of Judah
"JB" - for Israel Bad … meaning good king of Judah
"IB" - for Isreal Bad … meaning bad king of Israel.
And it worked just fine.
Credit to the initial idea of Mark Allison and to all subsequent contributors.
Blessings,
In Christ Jesus,
Tony.
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I have this installed. Do I have to reload it somehow or will it update automatically? Also, the middle one seems not to be correct?
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That is correct @RJ
Apologies for the typo. "JB" is BAD Kings of Judah.
To be more clear and helpful because you asked, I merely went down the list and meticulously changed the Visual Filter as in the pic. below.
And it all shows up as follows at Mat 1:
Blessings,
In Christ Jesus,
Tony.
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@Robert Kelbe I just picked up your visual filter on Good and Bad Kings! I appreciate your work. Thanks for doing it! To tell the truth, I have not seen the usefulness of Visual Filters, but your visual filter causes me to re-think my position. Thanks a bunch!
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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