Poll: How comfortable are you with using Logos?

Jason Stone (Logos)
Jason Stone (Logos) Administrator, Community Manager, Logos Employee Posts: 562

Whether you’re just starting your journey with Logos or you’re a seasoned expert, we’d love to know how comfortable you feel using the platform. Take a moment to select the option that best matches your proficiency—and feel free to share any thoughts in the comments! Let’s keep growing and learning together.

Sr. Community Manager at Logos.

Poll: How comfortable are you with using Logos? 62 votes

Beginner
17%
Kirk TanRJMark AllisonJoseph SollenbergerMagistraArmando Javier Arteaga UnigarroscooterJerry TLukasKristinBrendan Morgan 11 votes
Intermediate
41%
Wolfgang SchneiderMJ. SmithBill ShewmakerPLKevin A. PurcellBenAaron SauerPaul MBrother OdinNickyGarrell CaltonEastTNRalph WoodDMBdanwdooDavid J. WilsonPhil QuigleyDave ColcloughChristopher RandallJohn 26 votes
Advanced
33%
Jerry BushJan KrohnDoc BScot WrightVeli VoipioJohn McNallyWild EagleNorman CubbageNB.MickRob BruceJonathan BradleyAl GrahamAristoclesBr Damien-Joseph OSBPastor Don CarpenterMorganBrian LeathersJustin GatlinGregWRod Bergen 21 votes
Expert
6%
Mark SmithJohn FidelFrank SauerBrian Davidson 4 votes
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Comments

  • Frank Sauer
    Frank Sauer Member Posts: 1,841 ✭✭✭
    Expert

    Caveat in voting.... My vote is based on up to L10 - with the new release I may drop down to intermediate for a while, needing to catch up on new features and navigation

    Logos 10 - OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Windows 11, Android 16 & Android 14

  • Jonathan Bradley
    Jonathan Bradley Member Posts: 1,053 ✭✭✭
    Advanced

    Having been using Logos for almost 12 years now (12 years sounds right…), I'd like to think I'm advanced in my use of Logos, but not nearly an expert. There's so much to use, so much more to learn, and some things that I don't use for one reason or another.

    Pastor, Mt. Leonard Baptist Church, SBC

  • Jason Stone (Logos)
    Jason Stone (Logos) Administrator, Community Manager, Logos Employee Posts: 562
    Advanced

    Caveat in voting.... My vote is based on up to L10 - with the new release I may drop down to intermediate for a while, needing to catch up on new features and navigation

    That's okay! The applications keep improving, and there is so much to learn. Feel free to tag me if you have any specific questions.

    Sr. Community Manager at Logos.

  • Jason Stone (Logos)
    Jason Stone (Logos) Administrator, Community Manager, Logos Employee Posts: 562
    Advanced

    There's so much to use, so much more to learn, and some things that I don't use for one reason or another.

    I'd say that if you're using 50% of the platform, you're making great use of it, @Jonathan Bradley.

    Sr. Community Manager at Logos.

  • Jason Stone (Logos)
    Jason Stone (Logos) Administrator, Community Manager, Logos Employee Posts: 562
    Advanced

    @scooter, are there any specific questions you have to help you build your confidence and proficiency?

    Sr. Community Manager at Logos.

  • DMB
    DMB Member Posts: 13,747 ✭✭✭
    Intermediate

    I don't think the answers have anything to do with the question (or its fill-out explanation). Logos does what I want it to do. So I'm perfectly comfortable with a 'beginner'-'intermediate' answer. Logos' more 'advanced' features go in a direction that I view as misplaced.

    "If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.

  • Jason Stone (Logos)
    Jason Stone (Logos) Administrator, Community Manager, Logos Employee Posts: 562
    Advanced

    So I'm perfectly comfortable with a 'beginner'-'intermediate' answer.

    Great! I think that answers the question, @DMB.

    Sr. Community Manager at Logos.

  • Ralph Wood
    Ralph Wood Member Posts: 146 ✭✭
    Intermediate

    Intermediate-level user. After about 12 years of using Logos, I liken it to Microsoft Excel in that you can accomplish a great deal with a fairly basic knowledge level of the software. My closest family and friends consider me an expert at both… but having been around true experts, I know better. I marvel at the knowledge level of the most devout members of this forum and I am constantly humbled as I realize what a high percentage of posts I skip over because I have no clue what is being said. But that’s OK. I am more than comfortable plugging along as I use this amazing software to prepare my bi-weekly adult Bible Study lesson.

    A very happy Logos Pro subscriber.

  • EastTN
    EastTN Member Posts: 1,449 ✭✭✭
    Intermediate

    Intermediate through Logos 10.

    I've used Logos for well over a decade, and am very familiar and comfortable with all of the features that I care about. Most of the new features in the most recent release are things that I don't care about, and (at least so far) the subscription-only model has been a deal-breaker for me.

  • Yes, my comfort level ranges from Beginner to Advanced, depending on task usage in Logos and/or Verbum. Thankful for many friendly forum discussions: have learned a lot while still have a lot to learn (at times, my "advanced" comfort feels like a "beginner").

    Learning Hebrew language has search desire for vowel patterns, especially for words that sound similar as some Hebrew letter consonants sound alike. Facebook has numerous Hebrew tongue twister examples: e.g. "The seaweed appeared and left then ran to the supply". Logos & Verbum has many search options while currently lacking the ability to search Hebrew for similar sounding words (with Male/Female variations).

    Keep Smiling 😊

  • Justin Gatlin
    Justin Gatlin Member Posts: 2,080 ✭✭✭
    Advanced

    I think I'm a pretty advanced user. I am comfortable with pretty much every feature except syntax search, where I always need the wiki open on the other screen. But the gap between the different levels continues to narrow as the software gets easier to use.

  • Jerry T
    Jerry T Member Posts: 132 ✭✭
    edited January 7
    Beginner

    After about a year of owning Logos and coming from Accordance I still have quite a bit to learn. I am consistently adjusting my workflow and changing options in my primary layouts to work better with the Logos framework.

    Finding there are many different ways to get an answer to a particular query. I liken it to the difference of shopping in Europe vs. shopping in the U.S. In some places in Europe you visit the butcher, bakery, etc. in their own respective shops in the U.S. you go to the super center and get most everything in one location. I am trying to get my Logos layout to feel more like the super center. Fact book helps out quite a bit.

  • Justin Gatlin
    Justin Gatlin Member Posts: 2,080 ✭✭✭
  • Jason Stone (Logos)
    Jason Stone (Logos) Administrator, Community Manager, Logos Employee Posts: 562
    Advanced

    Finding there are many different ways to get an answer to a particular query. I liken it to the difference of shopping in Europe vs. shopping in the U.S. In some places in Europe you visit the butcher, bakery, etc. in their own respective shops in the U.S. you go to the super center and get most everything in one location. I am trying to get my Logos layout to feel more like the super center. Fact book helps out quite a bit.

    Insightful comparison, @Jerry T. I'm glad to hear that you are making use of Factbook.

    Sr. Community Manager at Logos.

  • Kevin Houghtaling
    Kevin Houghtaling Member Posts: 79 ✭✭

    I use factbook more and find it a launching point for things that were done independently. With that said, with the new organization of the interface, I have to look around more…. thus factbook helps. Next time…. Gradual changes LOL

  • Pastor Don Carpenter
    Pastor Don Carpenter Member Posts: 110 ✭✭
    Advanced

    I have been using this program for over 25 years. I believe my first MP Seminar was in 2009. Since then I graduated from the concept of using a Ferrari to drive to the mailbox. I am a MP subscriber and learn/ review a little bit every week. I would still not consider myself to be an expert simply because I am not proficient with the exegetical guide.

  • John Fidel
    John Fidel MVP Posts: 3,402
    Expert

    in after thought I would adjust my vote to advanced. Just don't know how to change it.

  • Frank Sauer
    Frank Sauer Member Posts: 1,841 ✭✭✭

    Logos 10 - OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Windows 11, Android 16 & Android 14

  • Aaron Hamilton
    Aaron Hamilton Member Posts: 967 ✭✭✭
    edited January 7
    Intermediate

    I'd say I have a solid grasp on about 1/3 of Logos' capabilities. I know concerning the other 2/3 that I have a lot to learn.

  • Gordon Lyons
    Gordon Lyons Member Posts: 19 ✭✭
    Intermediate

    I would say I'm at Intermediate level. At the moment, I'm still learning how to make full use of Logos, having come to it from Accordance back in 2023. However, in my work as a Bible teacher and writer, I am finding Logos' many features extremely useful and very informative. Among other things, it has helped speed up my research and preparation work considerably, making these tasks so much easier.

  • Lukas
    Lukas Member Posts: 265 ✭✭
    Beginner

    I will call myself a beginner, I am using Logos since L10 and I am a mobile user only. So limited with features and just as I learn something with logos, then they decide to make changes. So its always new learning for me. I am also struggling to figure out what the proper way of using logos mobile is.

  • Jason Stone (Logos)
    Jason Stone (Logos) Administrator, Community Manager, Logos Employee Posts: 562
    Advanced

    I am a mobile user only.

    Have you tried the web app, @Lukas?

    Sr. Community Manager at Logos.

  • Doc B
    Doc B Member Posts: 3,585 ✭✭✭
    Advanced

    @Jason Stone (Logos) is there a way to direct message or email you about this poll?

    Eating a steady diet of government cheese, and living in a van down by the river.

  • Jason Stone (Logos)
    Jason Stone (Logos) Administrator, Community Manager, Logos Employee Posts: 562
    Advanced

    @Doc B, community members can email community@logos.com — an inbox that I monitor regularly.

    Sr. Community Manager at Logos.

  • Mark Allison
    Mark Allison Member Posts: 697 ✭✭✭
    Beginner

    I wish Logos would consider holding free all-day seminars around the country like Accordance used to. I was one of the instructors, and it was so cool to see how much someone could learn in a few hours. It was always easy to find a church or school to host us. We provided snacks and the cost to the company was usually covered by user purchases during the seminar.

  • John Fidel
    John Fidel MVP Posts: 3,402
    Expert

    Mark, MP Seminars handles the formal training. Not sure they are back to live seminars, but they have online content. Learnlogos.com also has some good content.

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,647
    Intermediate

    Intermediate with expert in some areas down to zip-zero-nada in others. Firstly, this is because I am more acutely aware of the areas I don't know than some. Secondly, because I am more painfully aware of the areas in which I don't trust Logos tagging, although it has been improving in quality. Thirdly, because Logos is slanted towards supporting a critical method that is the antithesis of critical methods I use. But would I give up my Logos - not until eyesight and/or mind are gone.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • Lukas
    Lukas Member Posts: 265 ✭✭
    Beginner

    @Jason Stone (Logos) I have shift between webapp and mobile app, as webapp cant do clippings. So at this point in my studies with where I got hold of Logos10 and things are changing, it feels that logos creates a frustration in my study and I find myself just going back to the old fashion of reading my physical Bible and making use of my physical books.

  • Doc B
    Doc B Member Posts: 3,585 ✭✭✭
    Advanced

    I attended an MP Seminar back in the L4 days. It was outstanding. Mo was a great teacher and person…miss him.

    But there's one little word in Mark's post you may have missed…."free." Such seminars would have to be in-house, and come out of the marketing budget, but as Mark suggests, they would probably pay for themselves if done well.

    Eating a steady diet of government cheese, and living in a van down by the river.

  • Kristin
    Kristin Member Posts: 354 ✭✭
    Beginner

    I wish Logos would consider holding free all-day seminars around the country like Accordance used to….the cost to the company was usually covered by user purchases during the seminar.

    Hi @Mark Allison,

    I was never familiar with their all day seminars, but I am very familiar with their free webinars. The webinars (as you know), often spoke of a specific topic (such as a passage of Scripture), and explained how to use Accordance to get the most out of the passage or task. Multiple ways of doing something was also shown. The webinars then provided discount codes to provoke people to buy the modules demonstrated. The webinars were all free, but also often grades (beginner, intermediate, advanced) so people knew if they wanted to sign up. People could ask questions, and then after that the webinar was online for free for others. When I came to Logos I looked for the equivalent, but I have instead found it to be a REALLY frustrating process to learn even basic functions.

    Mark, MP Seminars handles the formal training. Not sure they are back to live seminars, but they have online content. Learnlogos.com also has some good content.


    Hi @John Fidel ,
    I agree that MP Seminars are very helpful. However, there are two issues. First, when I first tried to find videos I found the Logos "Help" videos, which were not helpful at all. (I am sure they are if someone has a very specific issue, but not for learning the program), and it was weeks before I even discovered MP Seminars. Second, only a few videos are available, and then it tries to get you to pay. I don't remember exactly how much it was, but I remember it was expensive enough that I concluded it was not financially worth it. Maybe if someone is coming to Logos from a paper book or something it might not seem to be an issue, but from Accordance giving FREE webinars were I receive discount codes, to Logos only providing adequate training if I pay a significant chunk was not entertaining.