Changes to logos4 links coming to v39 and v40
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Ok so it seems that the Logos app only sees the ref.ly link to open in the app. But when you copy the link from a document you get the flshare.net and these are not opening in the Logos app. So the problem is in the document share.
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Thanks for digging. We haven't changed the behavior of the flshare.net links, but I'll ask the team whether that's something we ought to do.
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@Mark Barnes (Logos) can you please explain to me, if that is the only link we can get from the web app, and this is not something planned, how will we as mobile users then be able to add clipping, Notebook, Passage List documents to the Sermon or Bible Study Builder. Then we as mobile users have the option to add them but the functionality is not available for mobile users.
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@Lukas it sounds like you're encountering a bug, but unfortunately I'm having a very hard time understanding your workflow. (And I'm not sure how changing the desktop application to generate Refly links, the subject of this thread, is impacting your use of mobile and web.) Can you post a simple step-by-step list of how you're creating the links (in which apps), and where you're seeing the incorrect behaviour? Screenshots would be helpful, too.
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@Bradley Grainger (Logos) so my concern is the following. I make use of Bible Study Builder. I create a Notebook,Passage List and clippings document for that study. So with l4 links not going to work anymore, I understand that we must now get a link from web app the people that are using mobile. So I then copy the flshare.net link that is provided from the share function on the document . See photo
That copy link then gives you flshare.net link and I then paste it in the Study Builder info section at the add link section see photo
Then on Mobile the link is add which I added via copy link function from webb app. I want to open the passage list link from the mobile study builder when needed. See photo
But when doing that it opens the document in web app. The L4 links worked perfectly for clippings and passage list, but you are ending that function. So I want to know what other method or function will be available for me as mobile users to continue how the l4 links worked.
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When I click on the note in web app the links open a new tab in browser and then says the Bible Study document cant be viewed, I must download the Logos Desktop app.
That message is a bug which we didn't know existed. We'll get that fixed. Thanks for the report.
can we postpone the l4 links until we as mobile users have fully functional link platforms that works be it either web app or mobile, we need one functional system as a mobile user
It's a good call out that creating links from many documents in the mobile app has never been possible. None of the work we're doing here changes that, but we'll see if we can add support for creating links in the future.
But, as far as I know, the work we're talking about in this thread doesn't make the existing system worse or better, so I don't think there's a benefit in postponing this change until the problem you describe is fixed. Please let me know if I've misunderstood.
Regarding flshare.net links, they were designed to open in a browser. I'll discuss with the team whether that's still the right approach.
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@Mark Barnes (Logos) In the Bible Study info section there is a add link option see photo
So when I create a clippings/pasage list document I have added the l4 link in there in the mobile app. Then when I need to open that passage list document I used that link and then logos mobile opened the document. So my question is will I still be able to make use of the l4 method or will there be an alternative to the l4 as you say that flshare.net is designed to open in web app.
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@Lukas, in the workflow you shared, it seems like you are grabbing the Flshare link from the "Share" button in the web app, which as Mark mentioned is at the moment designed to be handled in a web browser.
I think you can get your desired behavior by copying the Ref.ly link to the location of your Passage list/Notebook/Clipping. This can still be done from the desktop app, by clicking on the top right "kebab" button and selecting "Copy location as URL".
In a resource panel with the new dynamic toolbar, this link would be available under "Share > Copy link"
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@David Vela (Logos) it seems you don't understand my concern about the whole situation. As a mobile user I mean that I am a mobile user 100% of the time. So I don't have access to logos desktop always. So currently I can add the l4 links by typing them manually on my ipad in that study document. But when the l4 links function will no longer work that option to add my documents to the study document will no longer be possible. As once again as a mobile user that does not always have access to logos desktop and web app and mobile app not able to get a ref.ly link that option that helps me a lot is not available. Do you understand my concern. I don't own my own logos desktop.
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So currently I can add the l4 links by typing them manually on my ipad in that study document. But when the l4 links function will no longer work
This is not happening. You can still type L4 links and they will still work.
From the original post in this thread:
But don't worry. Existing logos4 links will continue to work, and everything you could do with logos4 links, you can now do with ref.ly links.
You can still keep creating L4 links by typing them manually, just as you have always been doing.
And we'll plan how we can improve the ability to create and share links within the mobile apps (so you don't have to run the desktop application).
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Hi Mark —
While we are the subject of links…
I finally got some time to play a bit with this tonight. Creating a link in a Markdown editor (in my case, Obsidian, but it could be DevonThink, Bear, Capacities, AnyType, etc), links are so far working ok with Bibles. It would be nice if it would fetch the Bible reference for the linking text title (instead of the generic LSB text), but that might be something I need to tweak further on my end.
Monographs are working fine as well:
You can also create a link from Logos notes, which I assume will be migrated to your new type of linking, but as it currently is, it allows me to link a note to an external note editor.
I have mixed results of linking apps back to notes in Logos, but I suspect this will have to be looked at when the Logos notes editor is developed further. Maybe we would eventually see the ability to use markdown?
My big wish list is to be able to use HookMark to fetch the link from any part of Logos…. for some reason it does not see a system link and I have not had time to go diving to see if I could write a script for HookMark, but that is for another day.
Thanks for keeping links in the design of Logos. They are extremely useful for certain types of workflows.
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> When I click on the note in web app the links open a new tab in browser and then says the Bible Study document cant be viewed, I must download the Logos Desktop app.
That message is a bug which we didn't know existed. We'll get that fixed. Thanks for the report.
It's now fixed.
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@Bradley Grainger (Logos) do you say that after the l4 links have been removed in v39-v40 Will I still be able to add the links manually by typing them in.
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Will I still be able to add the links manually by typing them in.
Yes. If you're typing them in right now, you will still be able to type them in in the future.
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@Bradley Grainger (Logos) this sounds hopeful thank you. What I have noticed is, that when doing a l4 links for Study Document in note document, it opens n brand new Study Document instead of the document the link was created for, and even when you long-press and say open in new tile or left or right nothing happens.
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What's an example link that doesn't function as you would expect?
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When in notes I type text ex Bible Study and then in web app I highlight it en do a hyperlink en then add the logos4:BibleStudyBuilder;title=the name of document. The text get hyperlinked, but in mobile or web app when you select the link it opens a new Bible Study Document instead of the one you created. I cant add a video for you here. But if you can give an email or so I can mail a video.
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logos4:BibleStudyBuilder;title=the name of document
Does this work instead?
logos4:BibleStudyBuilder;title=the_name_of_document
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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@Andrew Batishko sorry if forgot to put my underscores in the comment, but yes I am using the underscore and that is the way it behaves. It opens the Study Builder but like I say it opens a new a new document.
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Oh, I see. The link in the notes works correctly in the desktop app, but when clicking the link in notes on the web app it opens the desktop app and creates a new document. This a bug with both the refly and logos4 urls, and doesn't seem to be specific to the Bible Study document type.
We'll get a case written up for this bug.
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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@Andrew Batishko please note that my experience is based on mobile, so web app and mobile app is doing the same. I have not tested it on desktop. I am mainly a mobile user.
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I was focused on the experience in the web app, but the mobile team is also taking a look at the mobile app. Thanks for letting us know about the problem!
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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