Why is NT Wright's Advent/Lent for Everyone a Bible Commentary but not 12 months of Sundays?

MJ. Smith
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When one examines the lectionary-based Bible commentaries, they are spread across Bible Commentary, Calendar Devotional, and Devotional (omitting eBooks) which makes it a real pain to use them. I should be able to make a collection of them with a Bible index and be able to spin through these resources.

A prime example of this inconsistency is in N.T. Wright:

  • Advent for Everyone series (Bible Commentary)
  • Lent for Everyone series (Bible Commentary)
  • Twelve Months of Sunday (Devotional)

Another example:

  • Connections series is a Bible Commentary

but the same texts in:

  • Ancient Christian Devotional is a Calendar Devotional
  • Come Follow Me is Devotional

Please add the necessary indexing to make all these resources work together smoothly.

Because this interferes with the functioning of the program, I am labeling this a bug rather than a suggestion.

Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

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  • Eli Evans (Logos)
    Eli Evans (Logos) Member, Logos Employee Posts: 1,410

    Hi, MJ. Long time! Is the issue here that you're not able to make the collection rule in the way you want because the resource types are inconsistently applied, or is this interfering with the operation of parallel resources in some way? I was able to "make a collection" and "spin through" with parallel resources (if that's what you mean), but I had to build the collection rule with criteria other than resource type and Bible index (subject?) to select the resources.

    You're not wrong about the categorization inconsistency; there may be some editorial reason for it, I don't know. But in terms of making the product function, it might help to see the rule you're trying to get working so we could diagnose better.

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 55,128
    edited April 24

    My collection rule is essentially a list of series with some manually added titles. This issue is that the monographs, for example, are dropped out of the parallels list.

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    Some, e.g. those tagged as calendar devotional do not work as calendar devotionals nor do they appear as an option in parallel resources

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • Eli Evans (Logos)
    Eli Evans (Logos) Member, Logos Employee Posts: 1,410

    Thank you, that makes sense.

    As you say, titles in parallel passages are listed when they contain a milestone that is compatible with the current location. The resource type inconsistency is coincidental and not the direct cause of the feature not working as desired in the software, although the resource type categorization may have influenced what markup was applied to the books in the production cycle.

    For the content team's benefit, there are several issues implied here:

    • Preparing for Worship series doesn't have a Bible milestone index, but should.
    • Ancient Christian Devotional series is definitely not a calendar-based devotional, title notwithstanding. (If it were, it would have "day of year" index, but it doesn't, because it's organized by lectionary dates instead — that's the determining factor.) No Bible milestone index in this one is also a book bug to fix.
    • There are likely other "Devotional" or "Monograph" resources in MJ's collection that are not materially different from the majority of similar resources that have Bible milestones and are categorized as Bible commentaries.

    By contrast, Twelve Months of Sunday series does have a Bible milestone index, but there's a longstanding B.A.D "broken as designed" issue that makes titles drop out of the list of parallels if they don't have any compatible milestone for the current reference. When the Bible milestones don't match, a title may still be counted as a parallel based on the lectionary date, which has its own quirks. But it's not entirely unexpected to see titles sometimes appear or disappear from the list based on lack of matching milestones. (MJ, I'm sure you've run into this before! We want to improve on this someday, but it's complicated.) Anyway, not a book bug as far as I can see.

    MJ, can you share your collection publicly if you haven't already, or failing that, paste your collection rule into the thread here? That's just to save us looking through thousands of resources to do an audit if you've already compiled a thorough list.

    (Please correct me where I strayed.)

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 55,128
    edited 12:21AM

    This hasn't been updated in some time; I expect those that are sermons to behave as sermons not Bible commentaries.

    Commentaries Supplement (Lectionary) includes monographs Bibliography (3)

    Wright, Tom. Advent for Everyone: A Journey through Luke. London: SPCK, 2018.

    Wright, Tom. Advent for Everyone: A Journey through Matthew. London: SPCK, 2016.

    Wright, Tom. Advent for Everyone: A Journey with the Apostles. London: SPCK, 2017.

    Mueggenborg, Daniel H. Come Follow Me: Discipleship Reflections on the Sunday Gospel Readings for Liturgical Year A. Leominster, United Kingdom: Gracewing, 2016.

    Mueggenborg, Daniel H. Come Follow Me: Discipleship Reflections on the Sunday Gospel Readings for Liturgical Year B. Leominster, United Kingdom: Gracewing, 2017.

    Mueggenborg, Daniel H. Come Follow Me: Discipleship Reflections on the Sunday Gospel Readings for Liturgical Year C. Second edition. Herefordshire, United Kingdom: Gracewing, 2020.

    Long, Thomas G., Cynthia L. Rigby, Luke A. Powery, Joel B. Green, and Carolyn J. Sharp, eds. Connections: A Lectionary Commentary for Preaching and Worship: Year A: Advent through Epiphany. First edition. Vol. 1. Connections. Louisville, KY: Westminster John Knox Press, 2019.

    Green, Joel B., Thomas G. Long, Luke A. Powery, Cynthia L. Rigby, and Carolyn J. Sharp, eds. Connections: A Lectionary Commentary for Preaching and Worship: Year A: Lent through Pentecost. First edition. Vol. 2. Louisville, KY: Westminster John Knox Press, 2019.

    Green, Joel B., Thomas G. Long, Luke A. Powery, Cynthia L. Rigby, and Carolyn J. Sharp, eds. Connections: A Lectionary Commentary for Preaching and Worship: Year A: Season after Pentecost. First edition. Vol. 3. Louisville, KY: Westminster John Knox Press, 2020.

    Green, Joel B., Thomas G. Long, Luke A. Powery, Cynthia L. Rigby, and Carolyn J. Sharp, eds. Connections: A Lectionary Commentary for Preaching and Worship: Year B: Advent through Epiphany. First edition. Vol. 1. Louisville, KY: Westminster John Knox Press, 2020.

    Long, Thomas G., Cynthia L. Rigby, Carolyn J. Sharp, Luke A. Powery, and Joel B. Green, eds. Connections: A Lectionary Commentary for Preaching and Worship: Year B: Lent through Pentecost. First edition. Vol. 2. Connections. Louisville, KY: Westminster John Knox Press, 2020.

    Green, Joel B., Thomas G. Long, Luke A. Powery, Cynthia L. Rigby, and Carolyn J. Sharp, eds. Connections: A Lectionary Commentary for Preaching and Worship: Year B: Season after Pentecost. First edition. Vol. 3. Connections. Louisville, KY: Westminster John Knox Press, 2021.

    Long, Thomas G., Cynthia L. Rigby, Luke A. Powery, and Joel B. Green, eds. Connections: A Lectionary Commentary for Preaching and Worship: Year C: Advent through Epiphany. First edition. Vol. 1. Louisville, KY: Westminster John Knox Press, 2018.

    Green, Joel B., Thomas G. Long, Luke A. Powery, and Cynthia L. Rigby, eds. Connections: A Lectionary Commentary for Preaching and Worship: Year C: Lent through Pentecost. First edition. Vol. 2. Louisville, KY: Westminster John Knox Press, 2018.

    Green, Joel B., Thomas G. Long, Luke A. Powery, and Cynthia L. Rigby, eds. Connections: A Lectionary Commentary for Preaching and Worship: Year C: Season after Pentecost. First edition. Vol. 3. Louisville, KY: Westminster John Knox Press, 2019.

    Jarvis, Cynthia A., and E. Elizabeth Johnson, eds. Feasting on the Gospels: John. First edition. Vol. 1 & 2. A Feasting on the Word Commentary. Louisville, KY: Westminster John Knox Press, 2015.

    Jarvis, Cynthia A., and E. Elizabeth Johnson, eds. Feasting on the Gospels: Luke. First edition. Vol. 1 & 2. A Feasting on the Word Commentary. Louisville, KY: Westminster John Knox Press, 2014.

    Jarvis, Cynthia A., and E. Elizabeth Johnson, eds. Feasting on the Gospels: Mark. First edition. A Feasting on the Word Commentary. Louisville, KY: Westminster John Knox Press, 2014.

    Jarvis, Cynthia A., and E. Elizabeth Johnson, eds. Feasting on the Gospels: Matthew, Chapters 1–28. First Edition. Vol. 1 & 2. A Feasting on the Word Commentary. Louisville, KY: Westminster John Knox Press, 2013.

    Westminster John Knox Press. Preaching the Revised Common Lectionary: Additional Essays. Feasting on the Word. Westminster John Knox Press, 2011–2014.

    Bartlett, David L., and Barbara Brown Taylor, eds. Feasting on the Word: Preaching the Revised Common Lectionary: Year A. Vol. 1. Louisville, KY: Westminster John Knox Press, 2010.

    Bartlett, David L., and Barbara Brown Taylor, eds. Feasting on the Word: Preaching the Revised Common Lectionary: Year A. Vol. 2. Louisville, KY: Westminster John Knox Press, 2010.

    Bartlett, David L., and Barbara Brown Taylor, eds. Feasting on the Word: Preaching the Revised Common Lectionary: Year A. Vol. 3. Louisville, KY: Westminster John Knox Press, 2011.

    Bartlett, David L., and Barbara Brown Taylor, eds. Feasting on the Word: Preaching the Revised Common Lectionary: Year A. Vol. 4. Louisville, KY: Westminster John Knox Press, 2011.

    Bartlett, David L., and Barbara Brown Taylor, eds. Feasting on the Word: Preaching the Revised Common Lectionary: Year B. Vol. 1. Louisville, KY: Westminster John Knox Press, 2008.

    Bartlett, David L., and Barbara Brown Taylor, eds. Feasting on the Word: Preaching the Revised Common Lectionary: Year B. Vol. 2. Louisville, KY; London: Westminster John Knox Press, 2008.

    Bartlett, David L., and Barbara Brown Taylor, eds. Feasting on the Word: Preaching the Revised Common Lectionary: Year B. Vol. 3. Louisville, KY: Westminster John Knox Press, 2009.

    Bartlett, David L., and Barbara Brown Taylor, eds. Feasting on the Word: Preaching the Revised Common Lectionary: Year B. Vol. 4. Louisville, KY: Westminster John Knox Press, 2009.

    Bartlett, David L., and Barbara Brown Taylor, eds. Feasting on the Word: Preaching the Revised Common Lectionary: Year C. Vol. 1. Louisville, KY: Westminster John Knox Press, 2009.

    Bartlett, David L., and Barbara Brown Taylor, eds. Feasting on the Word: Preaching the Revised Common Lectionary: Year C. Vol. 2. Louisville, KY: Westminster John Knox Press, 2009.

    Bartlett, David L., and Barbara Brown Taylor, eds. Feasting on the Word: Preaching the Revised Common Lectionary: Year C. Vol. 3. Louisville, KY: Westminster John Knox Press, 2010.

    Bartlett, David L., and Barbara Brown Taylor, eds. Feasting on the Word: Preaching the Revised Common Lectionary: Year C. Vol. 4. Louisville, KY: Westminster John Knox Press, 2010.

    Pagola, José Antonio. Following in the Footsteps of Jesus: Meditations on the Gospels for Year A. Edited by Rafael Luciani. Translated by Valentine de Souza. Series Ministeria. Miami, FL: Convivium Press, 2010.

    Pagola, José Antonio. Following in the Footsteps of Jesus: Meditations on the Gospels for Year B. Edited by Rafael Luciani. Translated by Valentine de Souza. Series Ministeria. Miami, FL: Convivium Press, 2011.

    Pagola, José Antonio. Following in the Footsteps of Jesus: Meditations on the Gospels for Year C. Edited by Rafael Luciani. Translated by Valentine de Souza. Series Ministeria. Miami, FL: Convivium Press, 2012.

    Harn, Roger Van. The Lectionary Commentary: Theological Exegesis for Sunday’s Texts, Volume One. Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 2001.

    Harn, Roger Van. The Lectionary Commentary: Theological Exegesis for Sunday’s Texts, Volume Two. Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 2001.

    Harn, Roger Van. The Lectionary Commentary: Theological Exegesis for Sunday’s Texts, Volume Three. Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 2001.

    Wright, Tom. Lent for Everyone: Luke Year C. SPCK: London, 2009.

    Wright, Tom. Lent for Everyone: Mark, Year B. London: SPCK, 2012.

    Wright, Tom. Lent for Everyone: Matthew Year A. London: SPCK, 2011.

    Thomas Aquinas. Ninety-Nine Homilies of S. Thomas Aquinas upon the Epistles and Gospels for Forty-Nine Sundays of the Christian Year. Translated by John M. Ashley. London: Church Press Company, 1867.

    Schnittjer, Gary Edward. Old Testament Narrative Books: The Israel Story. Edited by Gary Edward. Schnittjer and Mark L. Strauss. Scripture Connections. Brentwood, TN: B&H Academic, 2023.

    Sloyan, Gerard S. Preaching from the Lectionary: An Exegetical Commentary. Minneapolis, MN: Fortress Press, 2003.

    Thurston, Bonnie Bowman. Preaching Mark. Minneapolis, MN: Fortress Press, 2002.

    Reinert, James M. Preaching the Social Doctrine of the Church in the Mass. Vol. 1–3. Vatican City: Libreria Editrice Vaticana, 2011.

    Donovan, Daniel. Preparing for Worship: Sundays and Feast Days—Cycle A. New York; Mahwah, NJ: Paulist Press, 1995.

    Donovan, Daniel. Preparing for Worship: Sundays and Feast Days—Cycle B. New York; Mahwah, NJ: Paulist Press, 1993.

    Donovan, Daniel. Preparing for Worship: Sundays and Feast Days—Cycle C. New York; Mahwah, NJ: Paulist Press, 1994.

    Liguori, Alphonsus M. Sermons for All the Sundays in the Year. Translated by Nicholas Callan. Eighth Edition. Dublin; London: James Duffy & Sons, 1882.

    Wansbrough, Henry. The Sunday Word: A Commentary on the Sunday Readings. London; New York: Burns & Oates, 2012.

    Wright, N. T. Twelve Months of Sundays: Reflections on Bible Readings, Year A. London: Society for Promoting Christian Knowledge, 2001.

    Wright, N. T. Twelve Months of Sundays: Reflections on Bible Readings, Year B. London: Society for Promoting Christian Knowledge, 2002.

    Wright, N. T. Twelve Months of Sundays: Reflections on Bible Readings, Year C. London: Society for Promoting Christian Knowledge, 2000.

    Exported from Verbum, 5:19 PM April 24, 2025..

    I built my list from a library search for "Year 1", "Year2", "Cycle A", "Cycle B", "Cycle C", Lectionary, "Year A", "Year B", "Year C" then adding to it as I found other resources.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

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