The collections tool can't count very well

MJ. Smith
MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 55,149
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The library and the collection tool disagree on the resource count although selecting the same resources.

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  • Chris Heil
    Chris Heil Member Posts: 190 ✭✭

    Could the discrepancy have to do with either print library or cloud non-downloaded resources?

    Windows 11 & macOS 15 (Logos Pro) | iOS 18 (Logos Mobile Beta)

  • Andrew Batishko
    Andrew Batishko Member, Community Manager, Logos Employee Posts: 5,529

    I believe the Collection tool counts all of the books, but only displays downloaded books. Note how the total is 60, but the sum of the individual groups matches what is displayed in the library (41).

    The library, when filtering by a collection is only going to show downloaded books.

    This is a limitation we would like to remove at some point, but I don't have any idea when this will happen.

    Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 55,149
    https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1367420#Comment_1367420

    Good thought but I've not added print library books here because I intend to cull any print book duplicates I find. I had actually made sure all the books were downloaded as I was trying to document a parallel resources issue. You will notice that the subtotals on the types match - it is only the grand total that is in error.

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  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 55,149

    I thought I had downloaded all the relevant books. If your answer is correct, how do I view the books still in the clouds to give Eli an accurate list?

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  • Andrew Batishko
    Andrew Batishko Member, Community Manager, Logos Employee Posts: 5,529

    You will notice that the subtotals on the types match - it is only the grand total that is in error.

    That is my point. The grand total in the Collections tool is actually the correct one (meaning includes all books regardless of download state). In the Collections tool the group count and the books actually displayed are only the downloaded ones.

    how do I view the books still in the clouds to give Eli an accurate list?

    I don't understand your question. Who is Eli and what are you trying to give an accurate list of?

    There isn't a great way to view the list of undownloaded books that are members of a collection. There are only one or two places that use collections that pay attention to cloud resources (possibly Smart Books search?). The entire rest of the application only uses local resources when it comes to collections.

    I'm assuming you put the Collection's query text in the Library and downloaded all the resulting files. Unfortunately, there could be resources that were manually added that are not currently downloaded, and those won't be visible in the Collections tool.

    Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 55,149

    Who is Eli and what are you trying to give an accurate list of?

    Eli Evans see

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  • Andrew Batishko
    Andrew Batishko Member, Community Manager, Logos Employee Posts: 5,529

    If you are trying to detect incorrect metadata, I would use a library search, not a collection for that purpose.

    Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 55,149
    https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1367519#Comment_1367519

    Unfortunately, the first step must be identifying the books for which you need to check the metadata. I've been using the library and the collection in tandem.

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  • Andrew Batishko
    Andrew Batishko Member, Community Manager, Logos Employee Posts: 5,529

    I'm not 100% certain, but I think you might be able to do a Books search on your collection for a common word, which I think will return results from cloud and print library books.

    Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer

  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 36,210
    https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1367459#Comment_1367459

    Not my experience as the Collection tool only includes downloaded (I have Cloud books but no Print Library). Library will include Cloud if I use the collection rule as a filter, but the sidebar Collection name only shows downloaded as per the Collection tool. Win 11, Logos v41.1

    But there is a bug as shown below, after I dragged a cloud book into Plus these books.

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    Note the absence of the "Drop books…." text and the increased count of 45.
    The count of 44 is restored when I re-create the collection.

    Dave
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    Windows 11 & Android 13

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