Add volume number to series meta data

MJ. Smith
MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 55,588

Because some common books use volume numbers for reference purposes, please add volume number to books in series.

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  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 36,363

    Because some common books use volume numbers for reference purposes, please add volume number to books in series.

    I don't think "adding" volume numbers to books is essential when any reference can easily be linked to the correct location.
    Does FC 89 actually refer to a volume in The Fathers of the Church series?
    Is the full reference hyperlinked?
    Does John 13.240-241 refer to the same location?

    Dave
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  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 55,588

    The problem is multipart:

    1. When dealing with patristics, many books contain multiple works not all of which are given in the title. In the cases that led to this request the volume number was the only unambiguous link to the book used for the translation.
    2. When a volume is in the cloud, the link in the ACC will come up as not existing when it is simply in the cloud. This means you have limited information on which books you need to download.
    3. Some patristic resources have different references depending upon the publishers. Especially for Ephrem the Syrian the reference only gets you part way to the correct work and location.

    I have run into this being problematic only in patristic resources with ACC being the major offender at providing problematic references.

    What I am trying to do is build a reading/study plan based on the ACC in which one reads the excerpts in context - usually a homily or chapter. In this context I find this statement false:

     any reference can easily be linked to the correct location.

    I'm finding about 1 of 10 references can't be matched.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 36,363
    edited May 19

    If I saw text for "Tractates on John 113" or "Commentary on John 18:13-27" it could be resolved as a reference to augustine:"Tractates on John 113", whilst a reference to, say, FHCC 4 would only get me so far unless I understood it was in the series A Library of Fathers of the Holy Catholic Church. So it might be useful to locate the homily in the Cloud, but it would be very tedious to label each volume in a series in addition to providing the textual guidance with every reference in a book, whether outside or inside the series (I know that you limit volume references to those provided by the author/publisher for their series, but that might be different to the series used by Logos).

    Dave
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    Windows 11 & Android 13

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 55,588
    edited May 19

    I am looking for:

    • the exact selected text in the translation used by ACC
    • OR when available in Logos, the original language selected text when ACC uses its own translation
    • the generic reference to that text so a reading plan can access the translation owned
    • a full bibliographic record with standard reference for works not in Logos in any form

    In working through these, I hit excerpts for which the title is ambiguous when I try to map to Logos library entries. I would find it faster to work through these if I had the volume number especially because the ACC thought it useful to provide it. If you would not find it helpful, continue to use your methods for working through them. For the simple cases, I do exactly what you suggest.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."