Support Users Who Don't Want AI and/or Subscriptions

Bradley Grainger (Logos) · May 30

if you have purchased a morphologically-tagged edition of an original language text in Logos

The SBLGNT is free, so you can create a free account, "purchase" this free resource, and test drive it in Logos: https://www.logos.com/product/8486/the-greek-new-testament-with-apparatus-sbl-edition

Bradley Grainger (Logos) · May 30

But as I get presented with ads in the software

The ad's are definitely unwanted

Regarding ads, I'll just point you back to Mark's previous response (and know that he's reading your posts on this thread):

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1369791#Comment_1369791

Ryan Schildroth · May 30

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1370756#Comment_1370756

I am very opposed to the subscription model, but those who are non-compliant with that plan are just paying the regular price. Comparable to print version. But there has to be some enticement to subscribe. Apparently a negligible discount is it.

Anatolii Tsoniev · May 31

I see a reasonable compromise in maintaining a two-year subscription model, after which customers would retain the new program features permanently—just like with the current subscription. This approach benefits both customers and developers. Additionally, if the AI in Logos eventually reaches the level of something like ChatGPT, it’s unlikely that customers would stop using it—even if it’s not available for lifetime purchase.

In this case, if a customer needs to end their subscription, they would still keep the version of the software available to them at that time—not be left with an outdated one. Given that libraries can cost tens of thousands of dollars, that seems like a fair approach. Otherwise, it feels a bit like being told: ‘This is your apartment and the bedroom is yours forever—but you’ll need to keep renting the kitchen and bathroom”.

Donovan R. Palmer · May 31

The free version of Logos is much more powerful than the Kindle app. It is much more powerful than Bible software in general, not that many years ago. I suspect it would not make much business sense to strip the free version of Logos down to just be an ereader, because then there would be little benefit of buying a book at Logos when compared to Amazon.

Subscriptions appear to be the new software economy though. One by one, more and more of my premium apps have shifted in this direction. Most don’t have anything to do with A.I. and not all have cloud services and syncing. A personal knowledge base package that I have used for over 20 years for research has just gone to a hybrid subscription / feature model.

This means I am starting to accumulate more subscriptions than I am happy about, so I am starting to prune what is most important to me. I will certainly keep Logos, but some apps I’ll just use their free version or not at all. If Logos is not your jam, then the premium alternatives are few, in fact basically one.

John · May 31

@Ryan Schildroth

those who are non-compliant with that plan are just paying the regular price.

I cannot agree with that. Either the subscriber is getting a discount, or the non-subscriber is paying a penalty. Either way you look at it, the result is the same. There are two price levels. which one is considered “regular” doesn’t matter the way I see it.

Ryan Schildroth · May 31

@John

We see this one differently and that’s OK. The goal is to get corporate in tune with their customer base.

I hope they realize the subscription model is not loved by all and make some accommodation for those of us who aren’t on board, i.e. many of their established customers (if not most).

Ryan Schildroth · June 2

Thanks for jumping in @Bradley Grainger (Logos)!

I understand that we will retain ownership of our purchased resources. But as I get presented with ads in the software I have already purchased, I start to wonder if I am viewed as a dying breed, especially when reps use terms like “non-subscriber.”

If AI becomes what everyone hopes, it will become more and more enmeshed in the product, which causes me to ask if it will eventually assimilate everything, Borg style. Is resistance futile? I hope not. I think there is a place for what Logos has been alongside of what it will be.

And since I have your attention, resist wokism and identity politics.

Ryan Schildroth · June 2

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1370751#Comment_1370751

Thanks for jumping in, @Bradley Grainger (Logos)! I get that we will retain access to purchased resources, but the future is murky for those of us old schoolers who are unconvinced of the subscription model. With features AND resources being rolled into subscriptions, how long will the support be feasible if the “rental” user base grows and the “ownership” user group dwindles? When will the software support stop?

It seems to me that if AI becomes what everyone is hoping for, it will get more and more enmeshed into the product until it assimilates it, Borg style (for my trekkies). Where does that leave me? Is resistance futile?

These are the thoughts swirling in my head when I am blasted with ads in something I already bought. And now we have come full circle. Make the standard users a priority by providing ongoing software development sans AI and developing more quality resources for the librarians among us and changing the language away from “non-subscribers” to something positive.

And resist the wokism. Since I have your attention. I don’t need collections based on identity politics.

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