iPad and Logos
I have waited long enough for a Windows tablet to compete with the iPad. Doesn't look promising anytime soon.
So, I am probably ready for the iPad. The ONLY reason is because I want Logos on the go easier than with my laptop and a more effective screen experience than the iPhone.
I searched YouTube and was surprised to find only one video demonstrating the iPad and Logos (a 2-parter).
Have any been posted here? My biggest question is how fast the response is in general, especially when hooked to a WiFi signal (not using the 3G service).
Thanks.
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(I failed to explain, the YouTube video is not extremely clear and does not show responsiveness too effectively.)
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I don't know of any, but you'll probably have more luck on the iPhone/iPad app forum:
Director of Engineering for Enterprise and Operations
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I'm glad to have Logos on the iPad (particularly because of the money I have invested in my Logos library). However, I regularly find myself anticipating a better experience in the future as Logos hopefully continues to improve the product on the iPad. I use the Logos app for maintaining reading plans, but regularly do my Bible reading on a competitor's app because it is more e-reader like and it's not quite as sluggish. The Logos app is usable when it comes to speed, but there is often a lag for me between the time I try to initiate a function and when the Logos app carries out the command...like reading in a book and then trying to call up the Logos menu at the bottom of the screen. Maneuvering through the library can also be a trying experience. I'm not sure how the program actually operates, but it often feels like it is trying to talk to a server and thus the several second lag between the command and the end result. I have a 25MB pipe so I'm not restricted in terms of data capacity/throughput at home. For me, the bottom line is this app has huge potential on the iPad, but there is a lot of room for improvement.
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I did a little testing with mine and it is about 3.5 seconds to pull up a passage to read. That is using a pretty good wireless network and internet connection. This compares with milliseconds for a local resource app I use that will remain unnamed. It is usable but not great for me.
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I don't have an iPad but my father in law does, and compared to the iPod Touch (I've used 1st, 2nd, and 3rd gen models) the iPad on WiFi felt sluggish. Possibly reception is not as good due to antenna placement or something? Just my two cents. On my iPod, I do see the delays others have noted when using the passage guide, but it's pretty snappy on locally downloaded resources (3rd gen iPod Touch).
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This compares with milliseconds for a local resource app I use that will remain unnamed. It is usable but not great for me.
Is that for a locally-cached resource (which you should be able to do on the iPhone/iPad app)?
Director of Engineering for Enterprise and Operations
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This compares with milliseconds for a local resource app I use that will remain unnamed. It is usable but not great for me.
Is that for a locally-cached resource (which you should be able to do on the iPhone/iPad app)?
The milliseconds comment is a competitor's application that does store resources on the iPad. Unfortunately it has a small library and no original languages. That is what drives me back to Logos. I have used the Logos app in offline mode which speeds it up tremendously but it also makes search, word study, interlinear, etc. all unavailable. I know it would be a bunch of work to convert those server side functions from .NET Framework to Cocoa (I have converted data centric routines in my own company in that direction) but it can be done and I hope Logos views it as worthy of their time. I keep hoping to see a roadmap so I can know whether I need to invest some money elsewhere. I would rather Logos gets my dollars but in the end I need my tools.
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I'm moving this thread to the iPhone forum as that is where the developer for that program typically looks. Others there may be helpful as well.
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On my iPad:
4 seconds from launch to home page. Clicking Read brings up the resource immediately. Clicking a new resource (that's downloaded) is about 2-3 seconds. A Passage Guide is about 5 seconds. A word study, 2-3 seconds.
I suppose I could do a video one of these days...
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My biggest question is how fast the response is in general, especially when hooked to a WiFi signal (not using the 3G service).
Hey there Greg.
I am in the exact same boat as you! Last week I broke down and bought a 64Gig iPad, and I don't regret the investment. Booting up the iPad is very quick, and if you are in a solid Wi-Fi hotspot, the connection is almost instantaneous.
As far as booting up Logos, it takes about 2 seconds to have Logos booted and another 4 seconds for you to open your Library.
Is this fast enough?
Sure, there are a few things that I would see added to Logos iPad Edition that is not currently there, but I figure this will come along sooner or later.
{{Hey Logos! Would LUV to be able to have 2 sources open simultaneously!}}
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(I failed to explain, the YouTube video is not extremely clear and does not show responsiveness too effectively.)
When you say not clear what did you mean? Blurry or didn't explain things clearly.
What could be shown to show responsiveness?
I am asking as I am betting that it was my video you were viewing. I'm open to improve it as I will be doing another to coincide with my CCMag review just released today.
Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
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Kevin, I am sorry but it was I who was not clear when I posted the first post in this thread. But I was trying to get a feel for responsiveness more than anything and although I learned a lot about responsiveness from your videos, some of the posts above are more helpful because they specifically answer the time it takes to open Passage Guide given various WiFi speeds, etc., and what it is like move around and open various other areas.
You do show those kinds of things but the video seems a little washed out and not close-up enough in places but that is NOT your fault I believe.
Much of your video, especially part I, sort of assumes we are familiar with the iPhone app some, and not all of us are. Some of us only know desktop PC Logos so it took me a while and several viewings to figure out what you were doing, such as having to "restart the app" to get the screen updated properly, etc.
Also, obviously I am used to seeing Camtasia-style videos in learning and using Logos and a video made from a camera filming an iPad and iPhone can never be quite as pure in color or crispness in resolution so at times I had trouble knowing exactly what I was seeing on your video.
***I want to stress, that is more of the nature of this sort of video and MUCH LESS an aspect of what YOU specifically did.
But I also want to thank several of the posts above for helping give me an idea of the time responsiveness and to know what to expect in speed. I have a VERY fast desktop so the iPad speed seems extremely slow to me given what people said above.
And yet - I have the lust of the eyes and want a cool iPad, extra-fast Cray-computer-like speed, and... oh and Logos giving me every book they offer free would be good also... but we can't have it all!
Thanks,
Greg
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By far, the biggest drawback for me is the inability to cut and paste or make clippings. I'm constantly finding things I want to mark or remember, and I have to exit out of the app, make a "to do" entry, and then go look it up again sometime later on my PC to cut-and-paste (often having a hard time finding it again).
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Chris, this was one of my concerns also being single-tasking.
With the new multi-tasking OS for the iPhone, many are saying that the iPad should be upgraded to this before the end of the year too. Do you think the ability to have both to-do AND Logos open at the same time will help reduce this annoyance to just a minor aggrevation?
(Actually, with multi-tasking apps, probably we will be able to copy-and-paste by dragging, from app-to-app?)
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Just a question for you iPad owners.
I know there is no camera, but can you click the home button (round intentation) and the power switch simultaneously, to capture a screen image?
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Just a question for you iPad owners.
I know there is no camera, but can you click the home button (round intentation) and the power switch simultaneously, to capture a screen image?
1. John reads post.
2. John thinks to himself, "Naw! This can't happen. Never even heard of this!"
3. John grabs iPad, and powers it up...
4. John hears a "click" of a camera shutter!!!!
Wow!!! Didn't know I could do that!
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Dan, I'm just a lurker here, an not even an iPad owner, but how on earth did you, as presumably a non-iPad-owner too, know that would work? Or is John Calvin pulling our leg (he could have taken that photo with a digital camera for all I know)?
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Or is John Calvin pulling our leg...
* John looks down at his left hand... empty.
* John looks down at his right hand... also empty.
Nope! Not pulling anybody's leg.
This is an actual screen shot, taken in the manner that was suggested. I just didn't know you could do that.
Hey! Does anyone else know how to do what with the iPad???
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It is the same function as on the iPhone. Being that they use the same operating system, yes you can take a screen shot by pressing the Menu button and the power switch at the same time.
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Much of your video, especially part I, sort of assumes we are familiar with the iPhone app some, and not all of us are. Some of us only know desktop PC Logos so it took me a while and several viewings to figure out what you were doing, such as having to "restart the app" to get the screen updated properly, etc.
Also, obviously I am used to seeing Camtasia-style videos in learning and using Logos and a video made from a camera filming an iPad and iPhone can never be quite as pure in color or crispness in resolution so at times I had trouble knowing exactly what I was seeing on your video.
***I want to stress, that is more of the nature of this sort of video and MUCH LESS an aspect of what YOU specifically did.
NO problem. I was more concerned that you had a problem with the content. I do have a problem in that there is no way to capture the session resulting in video on the iPad like there is with Camtasia/Jing on a PC. Also, I have been working with it and my more recent videos are much higher quality. I will likely be doing an other one for Logos soon as I just did a review for CCMag and promised video of the top four Bible Study apps on iPad.
Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
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Dan, I'm just a lurker here, an not even an iPad owner, but how on earth did you, as presumably a non-iPad-owner too, know that would work? Or is John Calvin pulling our leg (he could have taken that photo with a digital camera for all I know)?
Not Calvin Rosie, but Luther. [&]
One thing I have learned over the years (a large number of them), is that patterns emerge in lots of areas. I do have an iPhone and I guess I was just projecting a bit, in thinking "if it works here, why not THERE!"
It's those times when I get to tell my wife I was right.
I wonder why she is not looking up from her book....
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Dan, I'm just a lurker here, an not even an iPad owner, but how on earth did you, as presumably a non-iPad-owner too, know that would work? Or is John Calvin pulling our leg (he could have taken that photo with a digital camera for all I know)?
Not Calvin Rosie, but Luther.
I was referring to John Calvin Hall, the fellow that took that iPad screenshot. I guess he wasn't joking. I've never used an iPhone before so I didn't know it had that capability. Of course it makes sense that this feature would work across the Apple mobile line. I never would have discovered it by accident myself. Who would intentionally press the power switch (even in combination with something) unless he wanted to turn the thing off? Or unless he knew about that trick.
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Who would intentionally press the power switch (even in combination with something) unless he wanted to turn the thing off?
Rosie, I agree!!!!
I had no idea but I was told by an Apple rep...on my touch that touching both the power and (I don't know what they call that button) will take a screen shot and then I can upload it to my computer and attach it here.
Pretty neat I guess.
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Who would intentionally press the power switch (even in combination with something) unless he wanted to turn the thing off?
Rosie, I agree!!!!
I had no idea but I was told by an Apple rep...on my touch that touching both the power and (I don't know what they call that button) will take a screen shot and then I can upload it to my computer and attach it here.
Pretty neat I guess.
Yup, pretty neat. You can do that on a Windows machine too, using Ctrl+PrintScreen (PrtScr). I guess for the iPad/iPod you've got to make sure you really do touch the two buttons pretty much simultaneously, because if you do the power switch a bit too much before the other one, you'll shut the thing off. It still seems weird to me to overload the power switch with something completely unrelated to powering on/off the device. But then I'm sure Windows overloads keys in weird ways too. I'm just more used to them so I don't think of them as weird anymore. I do remember thinking it odd that they'd chosen Ctrl+V as the standard keyboard shortcut for Paste (since Ctrl+P was already taken for Print). V didn't seem like a mnemonic for "Paste" to me at all. But now I've been doing it so long, it's second nature.
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I guess for the iPad/iPod you've got to make sure you really do touch the two buttons pretty much simultaneously, because if you do the power switch a bit too much before the other one, you'll shut the thing off.
It's not really an issue with the iPad/iPhone. To power off the device you need to press and hold the Power button for several seconds before it will then present a dialogue "Slide to power off". The screen shot combination of power button and Home button happens fairly instantly, so you know if you've got it right.
Easy really, but then I'm an iPhone user of several years [;)]
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I guess for the iPad/iPod you've got to make sure you really do touch the two buttons pretty much simultaneously
I will say for the Ipod....it is most definately a watch out feature. just a quick touch of that power button....and off it goes.
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I was referring to John Calvin Hall, the fellow that took that iPad screenshot.
Yeah, I knew that, but I could not resist the "John Calvin" and try to do some clever thing with "Luther".
Oh, well. Next time.......
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Yeah, I knew that, but I could not resist the "John Calvin" and try to do some clever thing with "Luther".
Oh, well. Next time.......
* John Calvin Hall smiles ....
It is amazing at the number of people who think I'm a Calvinist because of my name! I was named after my two grandfathers: John Lindsey Hall and Calvin Edwin Fuller. But according to my late Scottish Presbyterian grandmother, the Methodist minister who christened me as a baby gagged on my name. She would laugh her head off thinking about it! [:D]
Now, I'm a Fundamental Independent Baptist, grown up in a Methodist family, having a Presbyterian heritage... confuses me too at times! [:D]
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Yeah, I knew that, but I could not resist the "John Calvin" and try to do some clever thing with "Luther".
Oh, well. Next time.......
* John Calvin Hall smiles ....
It is amazing at the number of people who think I'm a Calvinist because of my name! I was named after my two grandfathers: John Lindsey Hall and Calvin Edwin Fuller. But according to my late Scottish Presbyterian grandmother, the Methodist minister who christened me as a baby gagged on my name. She would laugh her head off thinking about it!
That's pretty funny! A similar story relating to Martin Luther ___ could also be conceivable, since Luther is a first name as well. Martin Luther King was named after THE Martin Luther, though. However he ended up a Baptist preacher! Funny how names work, isn't it? How about that poor fellow named Lord Jesus Christ, who was hit (not fatally) by a car a few months ago in Massachusetts? Imagine having to wear that moniker around your whole life. I don't know what his parents were thinking!
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How about that poor fellow named Lord Jesus Christ, who was hit (not fatally) by a car a few months ago in Massachusetts?
This is just weird. Personally, I do not like seeing names like that. A really sick thought is ...... how about a serial killer by the name Lord Jesus Christ? This is just all way too weird.
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