Bug: Collections: Start with resources matching: brings up unexpected resources

Chris Elford

I entered "Word Biblical Commentary, Volume" in the "Start with resources matching:" box.

Results included Word Biblical Commentaries as expected, but also:

Some Wiersbe commentaries

Building your Biblical Hebrew Vocabulary

Nelson's New Testament Survey

etc.

See the screen shot.

I can't see how some of these would "match"

Chris

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Damian McGrath

Chris,

when you enter the terms like that, it finds all the resources that have those words in the title, author, subject, summary etc. fields.

When you would like just to search in the title, precede with title:. If you would like a precise match, place the title word in inverted commas

title:"Word Biblical Commentary"

Todd Phillips

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/12238#Comment_12238

inverted commas

You have strange terms in your land. In our hemisphere, we call those "quotation marks". [:P]

Damian McGrath

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/12263#Comment_12263

You have strange terms in your land. In our hemisphere, we call those "quotation marks".

Todd,

I lived in your land for a couple of years and never picked up on this (we can also say "quotation marks" but don't). I can't remember how many times I said something only to be greeted by a blank look before realising that I'd used an 'Australianism'. For example, I didn't know how many Americans never used the term "fortnight" until I used it in a homily.

Mind you, I was very happy the day a young woman behind the cash register at Costco or similar complimented me by saying, "You speak English very well." That made my day.

Damian McGrath

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/12263#Comment_12263

in our hemisphere

You may also find a couple of other nations in your hemisphere who refer to them as "inverted commas" [;)]

Chris Elford

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/12238#Comment_12238

Chris,

when you enter the terms like that, it finds all the resources that have those words in the title, author, subject, summary etc. fields.

When you would like just to search in the title, precede with title:. If you would like a precise match, place the title word in inverted commas

title:"Word Biblical Commentary"

Damian,

I won't get into the hemispheric discussion.

I understand what you are saying, but if it is a default "OR" search, why doesn't it get every commentary and every book with "volume" in it? If I enter "commentary" (without any inverts--I didn't say hemisphere) I get 300 matches -- I'm dubious about some of them.

If it is a default "AND" search, why does it return the survey -- or why not all the Wiersbe "Be . . ." series?

It certainly doesn't appear very intuitive or user-friendly to have to enter "title:" -- where are all these search qualifiers listed?

When I did the "commentary" search, it returned R.H. Charles' "Apocrypha of the Old Testament" which is not a commentary, but in the resource info window says it is part of a series which includes a commentary. Seems to me, that the default search is far too broad. Especially since you have to scroll down all the way each time you select/delete a resource.

Power users may get this, but a newbie will be unlikely to bother figuring it all out, IMHO.

So, this may not be a bug, but it is a feature that needs work, IMHO.

So, then I tried title: commentary and got no (zero) matches. Leave out the space and I get 197. Is the syntax so precise I have to leave no space? We got away from line commands with Windows 3.1, I thought? That's not going to be newbie friendly.

So, I just put "Word Biblical Commentary" in the search box and got 60 matches -- the 59 volumes I own plus a quick start guide.

Chris

Damian McGrath

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/12301#Comment_12301

Chris,

No arguments from me about it not being very intuitive. I'd have assumed that the basic search was a precise title search.

One of the first questions which I asked on the Beta forum was how do you search for authors, to discover that "author:" does that. I've since learned about some of the other qualifiers like "subject:" "type: from following these forums.

I guess that whatever introductory videos that they make will deal with this. But, I don't know for sure.

Todd Phillips

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/12301#Comment_12301

I understand what you are saying, but if it is a default "OR" search, why doesn't it get every commentary and every book with "volume" in it? If I enter "commentary" (without any inverts--I didn't say hemisphere) I get 300 matches -- I'm dubious about some of them.

If it is a default "AND" search, why does it return the survey -- or why not all the Wiersbe "Be . . ." series?

It certainly doesn't appear very intuitive or user-friendly to have to enter "title:" -- where are all these search qualifiers listed?

When I did the "commentary" search, it returned R.H. Charles' "Apocrypha of the Old Testament" which is not a commentary, but in the resource info window says it is part of a series which includes a commentary. Seems to me, that the default search is far too broad. Especially since you have to scroll down all the way each time you select/delete a resource.

It is a default "AND", and like you said, it's a broader search than it appears. It will match on words found in any field, including the resource description. The Old Testament Survey has the search words (Word Biblical Commentary Series) in the resource description (just not in that order). If I put quotes around the words: "Word Biblical Commentary", I get all my WBC volumes plus Notes on the Hebrew Text and the Topography of the Books of Samuel because that resource discusses a WBC volume in it's description.

I requested that they not search the description in this thread: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/1566/12195.aspx

Chris Elford

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/12309#Comment_12309

It is a default "AND", and like you said, it's a broader search than it appears. It will match on words found in any field, including the resource description. The Old Testament Survey has the search words (Word Biblical Commentary Series) in the resource description (just not in that order). If I put quotes around the words: "Word Biblical Commentary", I get all my WBC volumes plus Notes on the Hebrew Text and the Topography of the Books of Samuel because that resource discusses a WBC volume in it's description.

I requested that they not search the description in this thread: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/1566/12195.aspx

Thanks, Todd. That makes sense - I don't like it, but I understand it. I'll go to that thread and add my vote.

Chris

Simon’s Brother

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/12283#Comment_12283

in our hemisphere

You may also find a couple of other nations in your hemisphere who refer to them as "inverted commas"

yes, Apparrently they use Inverted commans in UK also .. http://www.chambersharrap.co.uk/chambers/learning/primary_worksheets/inverted_commas.pdf.. so its not just because where looking at them from down under that we call them something strange.

Bohuslav Wojnar

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/14900#Comment_14900

To cut the discussion on commas, just put wbc into the box and you get all Word Biblical Commentaries into the collection [H]