Passage List Cuts off the passage
I created a new passage list and used the Add button to add 1 Cor 15:50-58. The passage list cuts off verse 58 in the middle. Am I missing something?
Have a great day,
jmac
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Jim said:
The passage list cuts off verse 58 in the middle. Am I missing something?
I'd guess that you are missing the last half of verse 58. Am I right?[:D]
Okay, what you really want to know is that yes, Logos does not always show the whole reference. It imposes it's own idea of reasonable limit. There is another thread discussing this issue.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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My concerns are
- did I miss some setting or procedure I should be following
- or does Logos 4 limit the length of passages that can be added to a passage list?
If Logos is limiting the length then I observe that
- the limit is unspecified in the help information
- the limit appears to not be an integral number of verses since my selection was cut off in the middle of the last verse
Is the limit a number of characters? number of words?
Why should there be a limit (other than it was just done that way)? Limiting the length is rather cumbersome (error prone) because the user may not get what they expected as in my case and will have to be careful to double check to the last word, what was added to the passage list. If that's the case, I would rather it put each verse into a separate entry so I get all the words of all the verses I intended to get.
Have a great day,
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Jim said:
My concerns are
- did I miss some setting or procedure I should be following
- or does Logos 4 limit the length of passages that can be added to a passage list?
If Logos is limiting the length then I observe that
- the limit is unspecified in the help information
- the limit appears to not be an integral number of verses since my selection was cut off in the middle of the last verse
Is the limit a number of characters? number of words?
Why should there be a limit (other than it was just done that way)? Limiting the length is rather cumbersome (error prone) because the user may not get what they expected as in my case and will have to be careful to double check to the last word, what was added to the passage list. If that's the case, I would rather it put each verse into a separate entry so I get all the words of all the verses I intended to get.
There is a limit (about 1K in size I believe) to prevent issues arising from trying to display whole books.
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Melissa Snyder said:
There is a limit (about 1K in size I believe)
I don't remember having this issue in L3. Though I never tried to display a whole book I never had a problem viewing the whole passage I entered. Would love the limit to be increased if possible.
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Hmmmmm. The "whole book" fear isn't computing. If I already have the book in Logos and thus have paid for rights to read and use it in derivative materials I generate, what's the problem with quoting the whole book in my notes?
Having said that, I don't see a situation where I have the need to copy the whole book since I already have the book in eform right there, but I do want to quote a whole chapter or significantly more than 1K. This 1K limit takes me back down memory lane to 1990's computing. I hope you will put this on someone's "please rethink this" list.
Have a great day,
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Here I am again. I'm on Logos 4.1 Beta 1. Just tried to put Amos 4 into a note and it cut it off at verse 6. I'm studying a topic and the whole of the chapter is a thought unit. Part of the chapter doesn't do me any good.
Here's part of the problem. I'm trying to figure out a strategy for using Logos 4 and keep running into dead ends or limitations that limits any approach I take. The whole separation between clippings and notes makes absolutely no sense to me. (I'm not assuming I'm speaking for anyone else here, just me). But that's another thread.
Let me say again. Please tell me that this limitation on notes size isn't permanent. Although if you tell me it is, I will immediately abandon Logos notes forever and get on with another method.[W]
Have a great day,
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Jim said:
I'm studying a topic and the whole of the chapter is a thought unit. Part of the chapter doesn't do me any good.
At a minimum one NEEDS to be able to deal the the longest of the Passion narratives. Amos 4 is much shorter. It would be DESIRABLE to be able to deal with the complete Abraham narrative. While limits have processing advantages, I think logic (mine of course) should determine the minimum acceptable limit.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Logos might be playing safe with SQlite limits at the present time?
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Jim said:
The "whole book" fear isn't computing. If I already have the book in Logos and thus have paid for rights to read and use it in derivative materials I generate, what's the problem with quoting the whole book in my notes?
Pretty sure she means technical issues, not usage rights issues.
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Chris Roberts said:
Pretty sure she means technical issues, not usage rights issues.
Could be, but she didn't specify.
Have a great day,
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Still an issue obviously...can the programmers perhaps double the size of the allowable limit? Just trying to get Heb 8:7-13 into a verse list - not to huge a bit, and it stops mid-verse 12. I hate to have to use a different software program to create my lists...and it looks like I may have to, unfortunately.
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The limits are simply to keep performance quick on what's essentially a listbox. We imagined a verse list as being just that -- a list of verses. Since more than 1,000 characters starts to take a lot of room, and make it hard to see the list, we assumed that users would just jump to long passages to read them in the Bible view, rather than reading them in the list itself.
And I assumed that if you added a long passage to a list you'd want it clipped, so you could see your list without the one long passage dominating the screen and (in some cases) being taller than the whole window.
I also don't understand why you'd need to copy a whole chapter into a single note -- wouldn't it be easier to link to the chapter and read it in context? And if you want to edit it -- putting notes inline in the text -- wouldn't you want to use more than one note for a whole chapter?
But apparently we guessed wrong. :-) We're looking into doubling the limits, if it doesn't hurt performance...
-- Bob
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Thanks for your response, Bob. I teach and do a lot of Precept studies, and most lessons have scads of verses to look up for cross references. I like to create a verse list with all the verses for that week and print it off, so I can do the lessons on the go without the computer or bible with me. Again, thanks for your time.
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Ron Barry said:
Still an issue obviously...can the programmers perhaps double the size of the allowable limit? Just trying to get Heb 8:7-13 into a verse list - not to huge a bit, and it stops mid-verse 12. I hate to have to use a different software program to create my lists...and it looks like I may have to, unfortunately.
We increased the limit in 4.1 to fit all of Psalm 119. If you are not currently running 4.1 you can give the RC a try. If you don't want to try out the RC it should be pushed to the stable channel in the next week.
If you are using 4.1 and seeing this issue let me know. I am able to see all of Heb 8:7-13 in 4.1 with the ESV.
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I guess no guts...no glory. I am still in 4.0d SR2.Thanks for your response. Next week!!!!!!!!!!!
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Bob Pritchett said:
we assumed that users would just jump to long passages to read them in the Bible view, .
I'm quite puzzled by your comments. It certainly seems that your concept of keeping notes and your study methods are different from mine.
For me, the entire point of Logos is study and analysis, not just reading. So my habit for more than 10 years has been to copy Bible text to another tool (in my case Mind Manager from Mindjet) and break apart the text (diagram it, if you will) then as I use Logos to do detailed research, I keep the bulk of my notes, comments and ideas for writing, sermons and small groups in Mind Manager. Here's a good example.
As part of my work, I find it a fantastic convenience that I can grab a series of Bible references, say from some resource I'm studying, but more often from a search, and have all those verses printed out or saved in an external document for off-line use. I've sometimes handed out copies of such a list to a small group so we can read them and make notes. It worked well in L3.
Now perhaps the new limit you set in 4.1 will be adequate, but I'll have to see.
Have a great day,
jmac0
