Is L4 a new Bible software program?
Many years ago I purchased a floppy disk and ran a program called Logos 1.6. I was instantly impressed and have used Logos ever since because it is the BEST! I intend to keep on doing so.
Every now and then I have run trial programs of several other Bible Software ... never paying anything! I compare them with Logos and come back to Logos.
Now L4 seems to be a completely new program, which shares much the same library with L3. The only other thing it has in common is Bob, Bradley and Rick.
But what would I have done if Bob, Bradley and Rick had gone to Pradis and come up with Pradis 4?
What we have to do now is a completely new test .... L4 against all the others, including L3.
I still use WordPro. I know there are newer (!!) word processors on the market and I know that eventually Microsoft will bring out an OS which will kill WordPro. But I continue to use WordPro, not because other WPs are no good but because there are a couple of things that Wordpro does that NO OTHER WP does. I use WordPro because of a few critical features.
What will I do if there a couple of features that I really like in L3 (and there are lots) but do not show up in L4?
Stephen Miller
Sydney, Australia
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StephenMiller02 said:
What will I do if there a couple of features that I really like in L3 (and there are lots) but do not show up in L4?
You'll do what we all do: realize that worse things have happened, be glad for those you love who are still around you, praise God for all His abundant blessings, and this little thing called a Bible study program, will fall into proper perspective as a nice tool. The old tool may have fit your hand better, but the new one, after a bit of getting used to, works just fine. And while there are somethings about the old one you miss, after a while you'll have a hard time remembering what they were.
BTW, I'm still a dedicated WordPerfect user.And I think I might even have some Logos 1.6 3.5" floppy disks around somewhere. Sometimes I still miss that library sidebar (though with over 2000 resources, it'd be pretty cluttered!).
Yes L4 is as different from L3 as L3 was from L2. But the resources are basically the same (a little different look for the Rev Int's).
Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
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Yes its been written from scratch
At least thats what I read somewhere, please remember as well Logos 3 is getting long in the tooth (speaking as a programmer, its code base is now old ) its nice to see a Christian company looking to the future and taking a bold step into the future, I believe this is the right move, and am looking forward to abandoning v3.
I like what I see, yes its radical, and a couple of ways of doing things have changed, but I will be heading into the future with them, it already does 90% of what I used to do in v3 and expect that to be 100% before end of beta
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Richard DeRuiter said:
You'll do what we all do: realize that worse things have happened, be glad for those you love who are still around you, praise God for all His abundant blessings, and this little thing called a Bible study program, will fall into proper perspective as a nice tool. The old tool may have fit your hand better, but the new one, after a bit of getting used to, works just fine. And while there are somethings about the old one you miss, after a while you'll have a hard time remembering what they were.
Richard,
Well put!
Robert Pavich
For help go to the Wiki: http://wiki.logos.com/Table_of_Contents__
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Stephen,
Bob and co. have told us that there are some features that will not be carried over and there are some that will, but that won't be a part of the initial release. Are there any features that you are thinking of particularly? We might be able to let you know what the word is on those specific features. Also, there may be new ways of doing old things, as many of us have found. Personally, I'm finding I often like the new way better once I get used to it!
As a side note, Bob has also said that it will be possible to run 3.0 alongside 4.0, and they continue to support the old platforms as best they can, so if there are features that are essential for you, you will still be able to use them (see here: http://community.logos.com/forums/t/1154.aspx?PageIndex=9 ).
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David B Phillips said:
Are there any features that you are thinking of particularly?
The one thing I can't remember hearing from Logos is where things sit with print functions. All I've been able to find so far is the ability to print pictures. I am sorta curious to know Logos' intentions with print functions.
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Print is planned, but after 4.0.
It's as much a UI problem as a technical one; it's hard to come up with a great interface for selecting what sections to print. (Some obvious ideas come to mind -- check boxes on the table of contents -- but there are small technical issues related to the mix of technologies (we display with WPF, but the system print dialog framework is Win32) and other things. It's all solvable, but messy enough to fall below the ship date in our prioritization.
Based on the feedback here, we've decided to create a "what's missing, when you'll see it" web page that will be part of the 4.0 release announcement.
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Bob Pritchett said:
Print is planned, but after 4.0.
It's as much a UI problem as a technical one; it's hard to come up with a great interface for selecting what sections to print. (Some obvious ideas come to mind -- check boxes on the table of contents -- but there are small technical issues related to the mix of technologies (we display with WPF, but the system print dialog framework is Win32) and other things. It's all solvable, but messy enough to fall below the ship date in our prioritization.
Based on the feedback here, we've decided to create a "what's missing, when you'll see it" web page that will be part of the 4.0 release announcement.
Thanks. more curious then anything. It's certainly not a "I have to have it now" proposition for me.
FWIW I wouldn't mind going into a print mode, sort-of like the drawing on the screen mode. In print mode you would navigate to the starting point and somehow place a mark, then you would navigate to the end point and leave a mark. Once you left the end point the print options dialog box would open up.
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That's a fair suggestion Philip. I'm not sure how it would fly since it's so unlike anything else in Windows, but then again so is L4.
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Philip Spitzer said:
FWIW I wouldn't mind going into a print mode, sort-of like the drawing on the screen mode. In print mode you would navigate to the starting point and somehow place a mark, then you would navigate to the end point and leave a mark. Once you left the end point the print options dialog box would open up.
Isn't this a bit like "Print selected text?" I mean you select by going to the beginning of your section, hold shift down, scroll to the end (if necessary) and click again to select. Then print from the right click menu. This is how most windows programs do it, and it's very similar to what you're suggesting.
But I don't print much directly from Logos., anyway. I usually copy/paste, reformat to my liking and then print. This gives me more control over how many pages print, catching that one or two line spill over, choosing the font size I want, etc.
Of course, any decent Windows program will have a print preview that let's you see ahead of time what the final product will look like. So probably Logos would want something like that.
I really like the way Firefox lets you choose the output size by percentage, or "Shrink to Fit." I'd love to see something like that in L4 - though I doubt I'd use it much, since, as I said, I hardly ever print from a Logos resource.
Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
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Richard DeRuiter said:
Isn't this a bit like "Print selected text?" I mean you select by going to the beginning of your section, hold shift down, scroll to the end (if necessary) and click again to select. Then print from the right click menu. This is how most windows programs do it, and it's very similar to what you're suggesting.
If "Scroll select" was not so time consuming, sure. However sometimes I scroll...and scroll...and scroll....and then accidentally click the wrong button at the end, or Logos (in my 3.0 days) would freeze up...and I would have to start all over again.shift + PgDown might work, but I'd rather have a start print here, end print here method personnally.
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Whatever does happen has to be much more robust than the L3 "print a pathetic and uselessly tiny amount of this resource" option.
For example, print a chapter, print x pages, print the whole resource (are you sure you want to do that?)!
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tcblack said:
Whatever does happen has to be much more robust than the L3 "print a pathetic and uselessly tiny amount of this resource" option.
For example, print a chapter, print x pages, print the whole resource (are you sure you want to do that?)!
With talk about going to the web (if I'm understanding things correct and not getting too excited) I wonder if we will be able to print from there? We could at least select page numbers, then. I'm very curious to see what Bob has in store for us....
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