Can you develope a Book-format view, instead of scroll-format?
I'd really prefer if the books, especially those previously published in a physical format, were formatted to look like a page in a real book does, with defined page boundaries, page numbers, chapter headings on each page, etc. I do not like the continuous scroll format at all.
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theinnatbywater@ said:
I do not like the continuous scroll format at all.
Just as a question.....why do you not like it? In a way I like it because you don't get the must turn page feeling to continue the thought. I personally hate those emails that have a joke up top and then way down at the bottom you get the punch line. Just say it already. It is just as funny that way without wasting all the white space.
You might want to change your forum name from your email address so the spam bots don't add to your list of emails. http://wiki.logos.com/Changing_Forum_Display_Name
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I support your request. In its native state Logos4 is set up to integrate multiple resources onscreen, so the scrolling format is the most efficient way to facilitate this. But there are times when you want to read through a single book from beginning to end without necessarily interacting with other resources, and then a more natural "book"-like feel would be more appropriate. I had hopes that the "reading view" (F11) would enable this with options to view multiple pages in different ways - a bit what like I imagine a Kindle would do, but at present, it's a pretty basic englargement of a normal book window.
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Thanks for the tip on the display name.
I actually find it quite easy to follow an argument, etc. in standard book format. Have been doing it all my life. A big reason I like the page format is the discrete nature of each pages' worth of text, it seems to make the reading more digestible and more importantly provides natural break points. One thing I've never gotten used to in web reading is that long entries just keep going. It's funny how most news articles, etc. are by default broken into multiple pages, because I think the average reader likes it that way. Another reason is that using pages, especially as they were originally laid out in the physical format, provides things like chapter headings, etc. so that you know have many markers of where you are at. This interestingly seems to help me maintain the flow of the overall book. Of course, they could do this with the current scroll format, but they have not as far as I can tell. Another thing I don't like about e-book is that whoever designs them seems to have no feel for the aesthetics of books, especially the correct font type that is standard in older books. All this email font drives me nuts when trying to read a book. So far, the ONLY reason to use electronic formats is the space savings and maybe the search capabilities. Otherwise, I much prefer real books. My best reading experience so far is using PDF files of old books on an IPAD, this is as close to the real thing as you can get with just electrons.
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Logos is at work on a book layout reading view, which I suspect we will see introduced either later on in the beta cycle of in 4.1 (currently under development, in beta testing) or else in a future release in the not-too-distant future. They've already done much of the work to get page layout to display properly, which you can see in the Print/Export window if you happen to be running the latest beta. This won't replace the existing scroll format but will be an option for people who prefer to read books by turning pages.
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Bravo Zulu—It has been a long time since I heard that expression, so long I don't remember what it means. [8-|]
Bravo Zulu said:Another reason is that using pages, especially as they were originally laid out in the physical format, provides things like chapter headings, etc. so that you know have many markers of where you are at. This interestingly seems to help me maintain the flow of the overall book. Of course, they could do this with the current scroll format, but they have not as far as I can tell.
Do you mean something like this?
For resources that have the Locator Bar—which is most if not all of them—turn it on here
Personally, I prefer the present format.
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Jack Caviness said:
Bravo Zulu—It has been a long time since I heard that expression, so long I don't remember what it means.
I could not stand the memory failure. I had to look it up.
Well done!I have an excuse. I retired from the US Navy 35 years ago! [8-|]
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Brazo Zulu,
I totally agree with your points about scrolling vs. page-reading views. And yes, like Rosie said, Bob had said months ago that they would be working on a multi-page reading view at some point. I'm personally looking forward to that.
Peter
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PeterLi said:
And yes, like Rosie said, Bob had said months ago that they would be working on a multi-page reading view at some point. I'm personally looking forward to that.
The Export/Print Preview screens in the current 4.1 Betas has a page-based pre-view, so it looks like lots of the "plumbing" is now there. I would expect we will see a more natural way to just read rather soon now.
I agree with the general idea that whats great for study and cross-refs, with panels everywhere, is not ideal for plain reading. I find the F11 view too wide for how I like to read, so for me, thats not the ideal final answer.
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JimT said:
I find the F11 view too wide for how I like to read
I suppose someone somewhere would like those long lines, but I can't imagine why. Perhaps it wold work on a very small screen, like the 9" one on my first Mac.
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I agree, Bravo Zulu.
For me, a full-screen, double page (so it's not so wide) book reading view, would help me to enjoy reading books on the computer much more.
I spent most of my time in thinking of divine things, year after year; often walking alone in the woods and solitary places for meditation, soliloquy and prayer - Jonathan Edwards
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I suggested that feature even before Logos 4 came to existence. I think the MS Word reading style would be excellent. (Some animation of turning the pages would be nice also...[:)] )
EDIT: I think Rosie is right Logos is working on that. If I remember correct, Bob explained some time ago that there are some challenges to implement that feature. But they are great in making impossible working [:)] so let's have hope.
Bohuslav
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Bohuslav Wojnar said:
EDIT: I think Rosie is right Logos is working on that. If I remember correct, Bob explained some time ago that there are some challenges to implement that feature. But they are great in making impossible working
so let's have hope.back in the original beta/pre-release days of secret testing they stated that having a double page reading view was the direction they are going.
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I’m not sure how the details would work on this, but it
might be nice to choose how many columns in which one would like to view the
same resource. This is similar to typing a full-width / single column paper in
Word, then highlighted it all and choosing to apply two or more columns to the
text. This would give the user flexibility to choose depending on how wide his
screen is, among other personal preferences for reading view. None of this
would necessarily match the actual book one is reading. It just makes reading
narrow columns easier, and prevents one from having to constantly scroll.
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Philip Spitzer said:
back in the original beta/pre-release days of secret testing they stated that having a double page reading view was the direction they are going.
Yes, that would be great! Also, is there a way I can define the distance between the lines in paragraphs, like what I can do in MS Word? I'm finding it hard to read the next line of sentence. Sometimes my eyes skips a line because the spaces between lines are too close. Granted, my eyesight isn't that great, but it would be nice to have such an accessibility feature in Logos (or maybe it does, I'm not aware of it).
David
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David Bailey said:
Also, is there a way I can define the distance between the lines in paragraphs, like what I can do in MS Word? I'm finding it hard to read the next line of sentence. Sometimes my eyes skips a line because the spaces between lines are too close. Granted, my eyesight isn't that great, but it would be nice to have such an accessibility feature in Logos (or maybe it does, I'm not aware of it).
There is no way currently to change the spacing between lines, But you can change the default font and default text size (under Tools > Program Settings). Some fonts might have a bit more spacing between lines built into them. So experiment with a few different ones and see if you can find one that is easier for you to read.
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Charlie said:
I’m not sure how the details would work on this, but it
might be nice to choose how many columns in which one would like to view the
same resource. This is similar to typing a full-width / single column paper in
Word, then highlighted it all and choosing to apply two or more columns to the
text. This would give the user flexibility to choose depending on how wide his
screen is, among other personal preferences for reading view. None of this
would necessarily match the actual book one is reading. It just makes reading
narrow columns easier, and prevents one from having to constantly scroll.That would be really sweet!
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