How can I search in Words of Christ for where he quotes or makes allusions to Isaiah or Job?
I'm listening to a course on CD on the Biblical Wisdom Literature, and in the introductory lecture when discussing the problem of suffering, the professor mentioned that Jesus quotes or alludes to Isaiah and Job quite a bit. I'm trying to do a search in Logos to find those passages where he might be doing that.
I'm assuming that the cross-references listed in New Treasury of Scripture Knowledge will be adequate for my purposes to show quotes or allusions to Isaiah or Job when they occur. I already have a saved Passage List of WOC from a search I did a while ago in NRSV. That's sufficient for my purposes. Next I did a search in NTSK for <Isa> OR <Job>, and it came up with 52,418 results in 1,253 "articles" which would mean 1,253 Bible verses have cross references to Isaiah or Job. Now my problem is how to intersect these search results with the WOC PL. Because NTSK is not a Bible, I cannot save the search results to a Passage List to intersect with the other one. And I can't restrict my search in NTSK to just that PL. I'm stuck. Any ideas on how I can complete my search?
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Hi Rosie
I'm not sure if this works but I tried something similar and it seemed to.
If you export the NTSK search into a text file, you can then create a new Passage List from that text file and then try the intersection with your WOC Passage List.
Does this do it?
Graham
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Excel could most certainly accomplish this if you know a bit of how to use its formulas.
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Rosie,
Try exporting your NTSK search results to a text file
Then open the text file and copy everything
Open a new passage list and select "add from clipboard"
You should have a passage list you can use
EDIT: Graham was posting while I was testing this solution. Did not mean to step on you Graham
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Graham Criddle said:
Hi Rosie
I'm not sure if this works but I tried something similar and it seemed to.
If you export the NTSK search into a text file, you can then create a new Passage List from that text file and then try the intersection with your WOC Passage List.
Does this do it?
Graham
Kind of. However what I really want is not a list of the Job and Isaiah verses Jesus quotes or alludes to, but rather the NT verses where Jesus makes these allusions (and ideally also the Job/Isa verses he's potentially referencing there). That is I want the articles in NTSK that have Job or Isa verses in them and that are verse referenced as WOC. It's irritating. NTSK is indexed by Scripture reference, but I can't use a Bible search on it because it isn't a Bible, so I can't limit the results of a search in it to only the Gospels, for example, which would help narrow down my search tremendously.
I can page through the search results in NTSK to the section where the Gospels show up (or export to a Word doc), e.g., as follows, and then manually cross-reference each of these NTSK verses to see if they're within the WOC PL. But I'd like an automated way to do that.
Chapter 1 (Mt 1:1) 38×
53:8. Lk 3:23-38. Ro *9:5. Christ. Mt 27:17. Col ◐4:11. the son. ƒ171G, Ge +13:8. of David. Mt 9:27. *12:23. 15:22. 20:30. 21:9. 22:42-45. 2 S 7:13, 16. Ps 89:36. *132:11. Is +*9:6, 7. *11:1…
Chapter 2 (Mt 2:1) 35×
4:6. from the east. ƒ171.O.6, 1 K +4:30. Ge 10:30. 25:6. Nu 23:7. 1 K *4:30. Jb 1:3. Ps 72:9-12. Is 11:10. 60:1, etc. to. Lk 2:22. Jerusalem. i.e. foundation of peace, ❅S#2414g. Mt 2:1, 3. 3:5…
Chapter 3 (Mt 3:1) 56×
19. preaching. Is 40:3-6. Mk *1:7. Lk 1:17. the wilderness. Mt 4:1. *11:7. Jsh 14:10. 15:61, 62. Jg 1:16. Lk 7:24. 2. Repent. Mt 4:17. 11:20. 12:41. 21:29-32. 1 K 8:47. Jb 42:6. Ezk *18:30-32. 33…
Chapter 4 (Mt 4:3) 43×
3. the tempter. ƒ24B, Ge +23:16. T#14. Mt 10:1. +*13:38, 39. Ge 3:1-7. 1 Ch 21:1. Jb 1:9-12. 2:4-7. Is 27:1. Mk 5:9. Lk 11:15. 22:31, 32. Jn ✓8:44. +*14:30. 2 Co *4:4. Ep 2:2. 6:12. 1 Th 3:5. 1…
Chapter 5 (Mt 5:2) 101×
4:20. his. Mt 4:18-22. 10:2-4. Lk 6:13-16. 2. he opened. ƒ108H6A, Jg +11:35. Mt 13:35. Jb 3:1. 33:2. Ps *78:1, 2. Pr 8:6. 31:8, 9. Da 10:16. Lk 1:64. 6:20, etc. Ac 8:35. 10:34. 18:14. 2 Co 6…
Chapter 6 (Mt 6:2) 82×
your. ver. 9, 26, 32. Mt 5:16, 48. 23:9. 2. when. Ge 47:29. Jb 31:16-20. Ps 37:21. 112:9. Pr 19:17. Ec 11:2. Is 58:7, 10-12. Lk 11:41. 12:33. Jn 13:29. Ac 9:36. 10:2, 4, 31. 11:29. 24:17. Ro…
Chapter 7 (Mt 7:1) 39×
concludes, and the people are astonished at his doctrine, 28, 29. 1. Judge not. ver. 5. Is 66:5. Ezk 16:52-56. Lk 6:37. *7:43. Jn +*7:24. Ro *2:1, 2. *14:3, 4, 10-13. 1 Co *2:15. *4:3-5. 10…
Chapter 8 (Mt 8:4) 47×
7:36. Lk *5:14. Jn 5:41. 7:8, 18. 8:50. show. Mt 3:15. +*5:17. Le 13:2, etc. *14:2, etc. Is *42:21. Lk 17:14. Moses. i.e. drawn out of the water, ❅S#3475g. Mt 17:3, 4. 19:7, 8. 22:24. Mk 1:44. 7…
Chapter 9 (Mt 9:2) 24×
Son. ver. 22. Mk 5:34. Jn 21:5. Lk +15:31. good cheer. ver. 22. Ps ✓32:1, 2. Ec 9:7. Is *40:1, 2. 44:22. Je 31:33, 34. Lk 5:20. 7:47-50. Jn +16:33. Ac 13:38, 39. Ro 4:6-8. *5:11. Col 1:12-14…
Chapter 10 (Mt 10:6) 49×
24. *18:11, 12. Ps *119:176. Is ✓53:6. Je *50:6, 17. Ezk 34:5, 6, 8, *16. Lk *15:3-10. 1 P *2:25. 7. As ye go. Mt 3:1. preach. Mt 4:17. 11:1. Is *58:1. 61:1. Jon 3:2. Mk *6:12. Lk 9:60. *16…
Chapter 11 (Mt 11:1) 81×
10, 14. Ac 1:2. 10:42. 1 Th 4:2. 2 Th 3:6, 10. 1 Ti 6:14. he departed. Mt 4:23. 9:35. 12:9. Is 61:1-3. Mk 1:38, 39. Lk 4:15-21. 8:1. Ac *10:38. 2. when. Lk 7:18-23. in the prison. Mt 4:12. *14:3…
Chapter 12 (Mt 12:2) 85×
pluck. Dt *23:25. 2. Behold. ver. 10. Ex 20:9-11. 23:12. 31:15-17. 35:2. Nu 15:32-36. Is +✓58:13n, 14. Mk 3:2-5. Lk 6:6-11. 13:10-13, +*14n, 15-17. 14:3. 23:56. Jn 5:9-11, 16, 17. 7:21-24. 9:14…
Chapter 13 (Mt 13:3) 66×
4:20. 3. in. ver. 10-13, 34, 35, 53. Mt 22:1. 24:32. Jg 9:8-20. 2 S 12:1-7. Ps 49:4. 78:2. Is 5:1-7. Ezk 17:2. 20:49. 24:3, etc. Mi 2:4. Hab 2:6. Mk 3:23. *4:2, 13, 33. 12:1, 12. Lk *8:10. 12:41…
Chapter 14 (Mt 14:4) 19×
4. not lawful. Mt 22:24. Ge 38:8. Dt 25:5, 6. 1 K 21:19. 2 Ch 26:18, 19. Pr 28:1. Is +*8:20n. Mk *6:18. 12:19. Lk 20:28. Ac 24:24, 25. to have her. Le *18:6, 16. *20:21. 2 S 12:7. 5…
Chapter 15 (Mt 15:4) 40×
7:6-8, 13. Col *2:8, 23. Ti *1:14. tradition. ver. +2. Mk ✓7:9. 4. God. Mt 4:10. 5:17-19. Is +*8:20n. Ro 3:31. Honor. Mt 19:19. Ge 9:20-27. 22:6-10. 31:35. 45:9-11. 47:12. Ex +*▶20:12. Le 19:3…
The final results I'm aiming for is a document that would go something like this (I've just manually created this from the above excerpt, cross-referencing with my WOC PL to select only the verses that appear in the latter):
Mt 6:2 - Jb 31:16-20; Is 58:7, 10-12
Mt 7:1 - Is 66:5
Mt 8:4 - Is *42:21
Mt 13:3 - Is 5:1-7
Mt 15:4 - Is +*8:20n
These are not definite quotes/allusions, just possiblities, because the cross-reference might have been from some part of the verse that wasn't in Jesus' words. Then my task after generating this list would be to look up each of those passages and see whether, where, and how Jesus indeed does quote or allude to Job or Isaiah. Bt it's a much less daunting task to do this after automatically narrowing down the list of possible places he might be doing this to just the intersection between NTSK and WOC.
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While not my favorite versions:
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Have you considered using the OT quotes in the NT harmony resources (either the Eusibian canons or the one made for the HCSB?). This isn't fully automated but it would probably be quicker than your TSNK reference because cross references will reflect shared themes as well as quotations and allusions.
I know that the NA27 is tagged with OT quotes so that might be a way to approach this question. Also most version will place a reference in the footnotes when there is an OT quotes, I don't know if a footnote: search could be limited to a QOC Passage List.
Prov. 15:23
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Are those fairly exhaustive? Using those I would still have to do quite a bit of manual work to get the kind of list I'm looking for. Looking through the first one under Job I found only these that are WOC:
Job 22:29
When men are cast down, then thou shalt say, There is lifting up; And he shall save the humble person.
Matthew 23:12
And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.Job 38:3
Gird up now thy loins like a man; For I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
Luke 12:35
Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning;Job 38:17
Have the gates of death been opened unto thee? Or hast thou seen the doors of the shadow of death?
Matthew 16:18
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.Job 39:30
Her young ones also suck up blood: And where the slain are, there is she.
Luke 17:37
And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.Job 42:2
know that thou canst do every thing, And that no thought can be withholden from thee.
Matthew 19:26
But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.Interesting, but I'm not sure any of those are what the professor was getting at when he said Jesus quoted or alluded to Job on the topic of suffering. It would be even more work to manually go through the Isaiah passages since there are tons of quotes and allusions to Isaiah in the NT.
Maybe I'll just have to give up and write to this professor and ask him what verses he had in mind. Or maybe he'll get to it in a later lecture.
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Rosie Perera said:
Are those fairly exhaustive? Using those I would still have to do quite a bit of manual work to get the kind of list I'm looking for. Looking through the first one under Job I found only these that are WOC:
Quotations are usually pretty clear and understood. The difficulty is when does something qualify as an allusion? Those decisions can be more subjective and lists do vary. My preferred OT quote of the NT list is the one that comes in the Back of the UBS4, unfortunately such materials haven't made their way into Logos' versions of those books. [:(]
Also unfortunately, I discovered that you cannot search the footnotes in a Bible using a Bible search, you have to use a Basic search. This means you can't coordinate a WOC passage list with a footnote search.
Another way you can approach this is if you have Baker's Commentary on the New Testament Use of the Old Testament to search for terms like "Jesus quotes" NEAR Job etc. It wouldn't be exhaustive but it might be a good way to spot check your list.
Prov. 15:23
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Kevin Becker said:
Quotations are usually pretty clear and understood.
I had created some additional harmonies in L3 to handle quotes and allusions that were most likely LXX and quotes and allusions to deuterocanonical, apocryphal and "lost" texts.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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1. Do search in Beale and Carson (Search for <Job> ; list will be Gospels first)
2. Convert Gospels portion to Passage List
3. Create Passage List of Words of Jesus
4. Merge into single list taking only passages that exist in both lists
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
1. Do search in Beale and Carson (Search for <Job> ; list will be Gospels first)
2. Convert Gospels portion to Passage List
3. Create Passage List of Words of Jesus
4. Merge into single list taking only passages that exist in both lists
MJ how do I do step 2 and step 3, can you elaborate?
Thanks!
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Dominick Sela said:MJ. Smith said:
1. Do search in Beale and Carson (Search for <Job> ; list will be Gospels first)
2. Convert Gospels portion to Passage List
3. Create Passage List of Words of Jesus
4. Merge into single list taking only passages that exist in both lists
MJ how do I do step 2 and step 3, can you elaborate?
Thanks!
2. Use the option Save to Passage List in the Search menu.
3. I assumed that the following search would work:
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
2. Use the option Save to Passage List in the Search menu.
Ah - it's a 4.1 beta feature - not available in 4.0d SR-1. FYI for those reading this that are not running the beta.
MJ. Smith said:3. I assumed that the following search would work:
I am running the search on a very fast desktop computer against just the ESV and it took 4 minutes 37 seconds. I would not recommend running this against more than 1 Bible. Plus, it returned 38,176 results, as every verse returns a hit for every word in the verse that Jesus speaks. I am not sure * is so practical although I wish Logos would make it useful (for searches to find highlighting too!)
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