Stuttgart Electronic Study Bible (SESB) Version 3.0

I am calling on Greek/Hebrew
student for help. There are two version of the "Stuttgart Electronic Study
Bible (SESB) Version 3.0" on the Logos web site.

The 52 vols at $324.95 http://www.logos.com/products/details/5181 the SESB upgrade at $159.95 http://www.logos.com/products/details/5257 What is the SESB18 Vols and how it differs from the rest, I am not sure? http://www.logos.com/products/details/6485

 I do not care for the foreign bibles contained
in the 52 vols.(German Bibles, French Bibles, Dutch
Bibles, Norwegian Bibles, Danish Bibles & Russian Bibles) as I don't know
these languages and never see myself using those bibles.

Question: Apart from the foreign
Bibles, would I be missing anything else if I went just for the SESB upgrade?
Secondly, is it possible to make a purchase of the upgrade version without
previously owning a previous edition of the SESB? I mean can the SESB upgrade
be purchase as a stand alone resource?

Any help you can offer
would be welcomed. I noticed that I already have some resources contained in
the SESB like The
Apostolic Fathers (ed. Lightfoot) in Greek and English In my Library etc.
So I want to be wise with my purchase.

I have not been able to figure out the
difference if the is any, between both packages apart from the obvious - the
foreign Bible.

Thanks in advance for the help.

Ted

 

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    The cheaper version is for those who already have Logos and therefore don't need the original language Bibles, Bible translations or lexicons, and just need the text-critical stuff. The more expensive one is designed to be used as a standalone product for those who don't already have Logos.

    There's quite of important stuff missing from the cheaper version - the normal Logos editions of NA27 and BHS for a start - but I'm guessing you already have those and therefore the cheaper edition will do fine.

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    here's quite of important stuff missing from the cheaper version - the normal Logos editions of NA27 and BHS for a start - but I'm guessing you already have those and therefore the cheaper edition will do fine.

    Thanks Mark. Below are what i have in my Lib.

    Ted

    1. NA27
    2. NA27 W/GRAMCORD
    3. NA27 W/GRAMCORD, INT
    4. NA27 INT
    5. NA27 W/O Morph
    1. BHS / WIVU
    2. BHS /WTS 4.0 Morph
    3. BHT/WHM 4.2
    4. BHS Morph Tagged Edition

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    yeah, since you have those in your library, you should be fine getting the cheaper one [:)]

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    It looks like this might be one we don't get:

    • The Greek New Testament (UBS edition) with text critical apparatus, cross reference apparatus and segmentation apparatus

    And of course the various editions of the Gospel of Thomas.  There might be others.  Am i right on the UBS though?  I know we have the textual commentary.  Do we have the cross ref app?  I'd be interested in the Gospel of Thomas, but I'd like to not think it cost me nearly 200 dollars.  [:)]  I am interested in the German Bibles, too, but beyond them, nothing that is not in the shorter version.

    I like Apples.  Especially Honeycrisp.

    It looks like this might be one we don't get:

    • The Greek New Testament (UBS edition) with text critical apparatus, cross reference apparatus and segmentation apparatus

    The main reason I bought SESB is for the Greek text with the critical apparatus. I'm sure over a lot of time it will be worth what I paid :-)

    EDIT: And, of course, for the increased book count...

    The main reason I bought SESB is for the Greek text with the critical apparatus.

    On a serious note, the NA27 comes with the apparatus (much more detailed than the UBS) in the stripped down SESB, right?  Odd it doesn't include the UBS.

    I like Apples.  Especially Honeycrisp.

    On a serious note, the NA27 comes with the apparatus (much more detailed than the UBS) in the stripped down SESB, right?  Odd it doesn't include the UBS.

    It has both the NA27 and UBS4 apparatuses

    From the product page


    Scholarly Bibles and Critical Apparatuses

    BHS Apparatus Criticus

    Biblia Hebraica Quinta

    Biblia Hebraica Quinta: Apparatus Criticus

    Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia: SESB 2.0 Version

    Biblia Sacra Vulgata (Apparatus)

    Biblia Sacra Vulgata (SESB)

    Biblia Sacra Vulgata: Psalmi iuxta Hebraicum et Varia Lectio (Apparatus)

    Biblia Sacra Vulgata: Psalmi iuxta Hebraicum et Varia Lectio (SESB)

    Nestle-Aland Novum Testamentum Graece Editio XXVII

    Nestle-Aland: NTG Apparatus Criticus

    Septuaginta: Apparatus Criticus

    Septuaginta: Apparatus Criticus (Alternate Texts)

    Septuaginta: SESB Edition

    Septuaginta: SESB Edition (Alternate Texts)

    The Greek New Testament, Fourth Revised Edition (with apparatus)

    Dictionaries and Lexicons

    The Greek-English Dictionary of the New Testament

    A Greek-English Lexicon of the Septuagint, Revised Edition

    Wörterbuch zum Alten Testament: Hebräisch/Aramäisch-Deutsch und Hebräisch/Aramäisch-Englisch

    The big problem is that the resource names are totally different on the two product pages. That's really confusing! Here's how I think they might match up. I might be wrong!

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    The big problem is that the resource names are totally different on the two product pages.

     

    That's what I have been thinking while away from the forum.  Glad you brought that up.  (and Kevin, yes, you correctly pointed out the resource that is aka USB4 with apparatus)

    Two suggestions:

    • (following Mark): make sure that collections of similar nature with different options (in this case SESB's variant collections) all have the same resources named the same way (UBS4 with apparatus etc).  I was also wondering about some resources being shown "with apparatus" but another colleciton will say it has the apparatus plus 2 other "goodies."  (sorry, leaving in 2 minutes, can't look up the resource--think it was the NA27), all on the same line.  So the question is--did they just fail to mention the other two "goodies" or are those two goodies missing in the other collection's version of that book?
    • COMPARISON CHART!  Lay them out side by side, like our base packages, or any other software does when they have multiple versions.  That would clear all of this up.

     

    And who knows, maybe the resource naming problem is to be leveled at the Stuttgart people themselves.  maybe they labeled them differently.

    I like Apples.  Especially Honeycrisp.

    When I spoke with someone in sales, I was told I have to have an existing version of the SESB in order to purchase this upgrade.  Now I am even more confused.  I have the Scholar Silver base package and am interested in getting only the apparatus for the GK text.  I certainly don't need the full version of SESB!

    David

    When I spoke with someone in sales, I was told I have to have an existing version of the SESB in order to purchase this upgrade.  Now I am even more confused.  I have the Scholar Silver base package and am interested in getting only the apparatus for the GK text.  I certainly don't need the full version of SESB!

    David

    The Upgrade is for moving from SESB 2.0 to 3.0.

    This http://www.logos.com/products/details/6485 is what you should get if you are only interested in the Apparatuses and not all the European language Bibles.

    Any other details not clear between the full version and the version for logos users, are about the BHQ :

    The full version specified that includes the followings:

    Biblia Hebraica Quinta (BHQ) fascicles Deuteronomy, Megilloth, Esther, Ezra, Nehemiah, Song of Solomon, Ecclesiastes, Lamentations

    which I believe would include not only the BHQ Text but the "Notes on the Masorah Parva" and the "Commentary on the Critical Apparatus" for those individual specified books (these are included for the printed volume on BHQ fascicles Proverb, that I brought");

    But for the "logos users" it was vague by just specifies "Biblia Hebraica Quinta", not sure which book(s) are included and whether the MP and commentary on CA are included?