Stuttgart Electronic Study Bible (SESB) Version 3.0
I am calling on Greek/Hebrew
student for help. There are two version of the "Stuttgart Electronic Study
Bible (SESB) Version 3.0" on the Logos web site.
The 52 vols at $324.95 http://www.logos.com/products/details/5181 the SESB upgrade at $159.95 http://www.logos.com/products/details/5257 What is the SESB18 Vols and how it differs from the rest, I am not sure? http://www.logos.com/products/details/6485
I do not care for the foreign bibles contained
in the 52 vols.(German Bibles, French Bibles, Dutch
Bibles, Norwegian Bibles, Danish Bibles & Russian Bibles) as I don't know
these languages and never see myself using those bibles.
Question: Apart from the foreign
Bibles, would I be missing anything else if I went just for the SESB upgrade?
Secondly, is it possible to make a purchase of the upgrade version without
previously owning a previous edition of the SESB? I mean can the SESB upgrade
be purchase as a stand alone resource?
Any help you can offer
would be welcomed. I noticed that I already have some resources contained in
the SESB like The
Apostolic Fathers (ed. Lightfoot) in Greek and English In my Library etc.
So I want to be wise with my purchase.
I have not been able to figure out the
difference if the is any, between both packages apart from the obvious - the
foreign Bible.
Thanks in advance for the help.
Ted
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The cheaper version is for those who already have Logos and therefore don't need the original language Bibles, Bible translations or lexicons, and just need the text-critical stuff. The more expensive one is designed to be used as a standalone product for those who don't already have Logos.
There's quite of important stuff missing from the cheaper version - the normal Logos editions of NA27 and BHS for a start - but I'm guessing you already have those and therefore the cheaper edition will do fine.
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Mark Barnes said:
here's quite of important stuff missing from the cheaper version - the normal Logos editions of NA27 and BHS for a start - but I'm guessing you already have those and therefore the cheaper edition will do fine.
Thanks Mark. Below are what i have in my Lib.
Ted
- NA27
- NA27 W/GRAMCORD
- NA27 W/GRAMCORD, INT
- NA27 INT
- NA27 W/O Morph
- BHS / WIVU
- BHS /WTS 4.0 Morph
- BHT/WHM 4.2
- BHS Morph Tagged Edition
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yeah, since you have those in your library, you should be fine getting the cheaper one [:)]
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It looks like this might be one we don't get:
- The Greek New Testament (UBS edition) with text critical apparatus, cross reference apparatus and segmentation apparatus
And of course the various editions of the Gospel of Thomas. There might be others. Am i right on the UBS though? I know we have the textual commentary. Do we have the cross ref app? I'd be interested in the Gospel of Thomas, but I'd like to not think it cost me nearly 200 dollars. [:)] I am interested in the German Bibles, too, but beyond them, nothing that is not in the shorter version.
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Dan DeVilder said:
It looks like this might be one we don't get:
- The Greek New Testament (UBS edition) with text critical apparatus, cross reference apparatus and segmentation apparatus
The main reason I bought SESB is for the Greek text with the critical apparatus. I'm sure over a lot of time it will be worth what I paid :-)
EDIT: And, of course, for the increased book count...
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Philip Spitzer said:
EDIT: And, of course, for the increased book count...
you're my hero. [{]
you know, the "golden birthday" is when your age is the same number as the number of the day you were born (ie, 24 on the 24th). Maybe we can have a "golden post"--the post number=library count. In that case, Rosie may have to quickly double her already impressive post count. [:O]
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Philip Spitzer said:
The main reason I bought SESB is for the Greek text with the critical apparatus.
On a serious note, the NA27 comes with the apparatus (much more detailed than the UBS) in the stripped down SESB, right? Odd it doesn't include the UBS.
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Dan DeVilder said:
On a serious note, the NA27 comes with the apparatus (much more detailed than the UBS) in the stripped down SESB, right? Odd it doesn't include the UBS.
It has both the NA27 and UBS4 apparatuses
From the product page
Scholarly Bibles and Critical Apparatuses
BHS Apparatus Criticus
Biblia Hebraica Quinta
Biblia Hebraica Quinta: Apparatus Criticus
Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia: SESB 2.0 Version
Biblia Sacra Vulgata (Apparatus)
Biblia Sacra Vulgata (SESB)
Biblia Sacra Vulgata: Psalmi iuxta Hebraicum et Varia Lectio (Apparatus)
Biblia Sacra Vulgata: Psalmi iuxta Hebraicum et Varia Lectio (SESB)
Nestle-Aland Novum Testamentum Graece Editio XXVII
Nestle-Aland: NTG Apparatus Criticus
Septuaginta: Apparatus Criticus
Septuaginta: Apparatus Criticus (Alternate Texts)
Septuaginta: SESB Edition
Septuaginta: SESB Edition (Alternate Texts)
The Greek New Testament, Fourth Revised Edition (with apparatus)
Dictionaries and Lexicons
The Greek-English Dictionary of the New Testament
A Greek-English Lexicon of the Septuagint, Revised Edition
Wörterbuch zum Alten Testament: Hebräisch/Aramäisch-Deutsch und Hebräisch/Aramäisch-EnglischProv. 15:23
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The big problem is that the resource names are totally different on the two product pages. That's really confusing! Here's how I think they might match up. I might be wrong!
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Three version below, call me confused about this! It seem that the SESB 18vols is only available to North American users. Logos help.TedMark Barnes said:The big problem is that the resource names are totally different on the two product pages. That's really confusing!
SESB 3.0 Upgrade Version http://www.logos.com/products/details/5257
Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia: WIVU Syntactic Analysis (New Syntax Database)
Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia: Workgroep Informatica Constituency Tree Analysis
Biblia Sacra Vulgata (Apparatus)
Biblia Sacra Vulgata (SESB)
Biblia Sacra Vulgata: Psalmi iuxta Hebraicum et Varia Lectio (Apparatus)
Biblia Hebraica Quinta (BHQ) fascicles Deuteronomy
Biblia Hebraica Quinta (BHQ) text critical apparatus
Das Thomasevangelium: Originaltext mit Kommentar
Das wissenschaftliche Bibellexikon im Internet
Den Hellige Skrifts Kanoniske Bøger 1931/1948
The Gospel of Thomas: Original Text with Commentary
King James Version Apocrypha
King James Version
Lightfoot's Apostolic Fathers in English
Lightfoot's Apostolic Fathers in Greek
Luther Bibel (1912)
Russian Modern New Testament
Russian Synodal Bible Translation
Septuaginta: Apparatus Criticus
Septuaginta: Apparatus Criticus (Alternate Texts)
Septuaginta: SESB Edition
Septuaginta: SESB Edition (Alternate Texts)
A Textual Guide to the Greek New Testament
Zürcher Bibel
Titles new to SESB 2.0 are also included in the upgrade to SESB 3.0
Bibelen NO 78/85 (Bokmål)
Bibelen NO 78/85 (Nynorsk)
Das Thomas-Evangelium
De Nieuwe Bijbelvertaling
Det Nye Testamentet 2005 (Bokmål)
Det Nye Testamentet 2005 (Nynorsk)
Die Bibel. Einheitsübersetzung (neue Rechtschreibung)
Gospel According to Thomas (Coptic), The
Gospel According to Thomas (English), The
Gospel According to Thomas (Greek), The
Greek New Testament (Fourth Revised Edition), The
Holy Bible in Today's Greek Version with Deuterocanonicals, The
La Bible en Français Courant (Nouvelle édition révisée 1997)
Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament, Second Edition, A
Willibrordvertaling
Full version SESB 52 Vols http://www.logos.com/products/details/5181
Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia
Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia with text critical apparatus and linguistic WIVU database
Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia: Workgroep Informatica Constituency Tree Analysis
Biblia Hebraica Quinta (BHQ) fascicles Deuteronomy, Megilloth,
Esther, Ezra, Nehemiah, Song of Solomon, Ecclesiastes, Lamentations
Biblia Hebraica Quinta (BHQ) text critical apparatus
Novum Testamentum Graece (Nestle-Aland, 27th edition)
Novum Testamentum Graece (Nestle-Aland, 27th edition) with text critical apparatus and mophological Gramcord database
The Greek New Testament (UBS edition) with text critical apparatus, cross reference apparatus and segmentation apparatus
Septuagint/Greek Old Testament (eds. Rahlfs/Hanhart, editio altera)
Septuagint/Greek
Old Testament (eds. Rahlfs/Hanhart, editio altera) with text critical
apparatus and morphological CATSS database
Vulgate/Latin Bible, (5th edition, eds. Weber/Gryson)
Vulgate/Latin Bible, (5th edition, eds. Weber/Gryson) text critical apparatus
Biblia Sacra Vulgata: Psalmi iuxta Hebraicum et Varia Lectio
Biblia Sacra Vulgata: Psalmi iuxta Hebraicum et Varia Lectio (Apparatus)
The Gospel According to Thomas in Coptic
The Gospel According to Thomas in Greek
The Gospel According to Thomas in English
The Gospel According to Thomas in German
The Apostolic Fathers (ed. Lightfoot) in Greek and English
Dictionaries and Reference Works
A Hebrew/Aramaic-English and Hebrew/Aramaic-German Dictionary of the Old Testament (ed. WIVU), by Bosman, Oosting, Postma
A Greek-English Lexicon of the Septuagint, by Lust, Eynikel, and Hauspie
A Concise Greek-English Dictionary of the New Testament, by B.M. Newman
Kleines Wörterbuch zum Neuen Testament Griechisch-Deutsch, by R. Kassühlke
A Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament, by B. Metzger
A Textual Guide on the Greek New Testament, by R. Omanson
The Gospel of Thomas: Original Text with Commentary (English and German), by U.-K. Plisch
WiBiLex-Keyword-Index, by Koenen, Bauks
English Bibles
New Revised Standard Version
New International Version
King James Version
King James Version Apocrypha
German Bibles
Lutherbibel 1984/1999, with lemmatization
Lutherbibel 1912
Zürcher Bibel 2007, with lemmatization
Gute Nachricht Bibel 1997/2000, with lemmatization
Einheitsübersetzung with lemmatization
Elberfelder Bibel with lemmatization
Die Schrift, verdeutscht von Martin Buber und Franz Rosenzweig
French Bibles
La Nouvelle Bible Segond
Traduction Oecumenique de la Bible
La Bible en français courant. Edition revise
Dutch Bibles
NBG-vertaling 1951
Staten Vertaling
De Nieuwe Bijbelvertaling
Willibrordvertaling
Groot Nieuws Bijbel
Norwegian Bibles
Den Heilage Skrifta. Bibelen, 1978/1985 (Bokmal und Nynorsk)
Det Nye Testamentet, 2005 (Bokmal und Nynorsk)
Danish Bibles
Bibelen. Den hellige Skrifts Kanoniske Bøger 1992
Bibelen (Old Testament 1931, New Testament 1943)
Russian Bibles
Russian Synodal Version
Russian Modern New Testament
Bible in Modern Greek
Today's Greek Version (He Hagia Graph)
SESB for Logos Users 18 vols http://www.logos.com/products/details/6485Scholarly Bibles and Critical Apparatuses
BHS Apparatus Criticus
Biblia Hebraica Quinta
Biblia Hebraica Quinta: Apparatus Criticus
Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia: SESB 2.0 Version
Biblia Sacra Vulgata (Apparatus)
Biblia Sacra Vulgata (SESB)
Biblia Sacra Vulgata: Psalmi iuxta Hebraicum et Varia Lectio (Apparatus)
Biblia Sacra Vulgata: Psalmi iuxta Hebraicum et Varia Lectio (SESB)
Nestle-Aland Novum Testamentum Graece Editio XXVII
Nestle-Aland: NTG Apparatus Criticus
Septuaginta: Apparatus Criticus
Septuaginta: Apparatus Criticus (Alternate Texts)
Septuaginta: SESB Edition
Septuaginta: SESB Edition (Alternate Texts)
The Greek New Testament, Fourth Revised Edition (with apparatus)
Dictionaries and Lexicons
The Greek-English Dictionary of the New Testament
A Greek-English Lexicon of the Septuagint, Revised Edition
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Mark Barnes said:
The big problem is that the resource names are totally different on the two product pages.
That's what I have been thinking while away from the forum. Glad you brought that up. (and Kevin, yes, you correctly pointed out the resource that is aka USB4 with apparatus)
Two suggestions:
- (following Mark): make sure that collections of similar nature with different options (in this case SESB's variant collections) all have the same resources named the same way (UBS4 with apparatus etc). I was also wondering about some resources being shown "with apparatus" but another colleciton will say it has the apparatus plus 2 other "goodies." (sorry, leaving in 2 minutes, can't look up the resource--think it was the NA27), all on the same line. So the question is--did they just fail to mention the other two "goodies" or are those two goodies missing in the other collection's version of that book?
- COMPARISON CHART! Lay them out side by side, like our base packages, or any other software does when they have multiple versions. That would clear all of this up.
And who knows, maybe the resource naming problem is to be leveled at the Stuttgart people themselves. maybe they labeled them differently.
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When I spoke with someone in sales, I was told I have to have an existing version of the SESB in order to purchase this upgrade. Now I am even more confused. I have the Scholar Silver base package and am interested in getting only the apparatus for the GK text. I certainly don't need the full version of SESB!
David
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David Bailey said:
When I spoke with someone in sales, I was told I have to have an existing version of the SESB in order to purchase this upgrade. Now I am even more confused. I have the Scholar Silver base package and am interested in getting only the apparatus for the GK text. I certainly don't need the full version of SESB!
David
The Upgrade is for moving from SESB 2.0 to 3.0.
This http://www.logos.com/products/details/6485 is what you should get if you are only interested in the Apparatuses and not all the European language Bibles.
Prov. 15:23
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Kevin Becker said:
This http://www.logos.com/products/details/6485 is what you should get if you are only interested in the Apparatuses and not all the European language Bibles.
You are correct, Kevin. Even though one of the lexicons is already included in my base package, the price remains the same for the 18 volume upgrade, due to licensing.
David
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Ted Hans said:
It seem that the SESB 18vols is only available to North American users.
Ted
You're absolutely correct! Users in Europe can only buy SESB from Deutsche Bibelgesellschaft, as Logos don't have the European rights.
I first bought SESB 2.0, then the upgrade to 3.0 when it became available.
I have it primarily for the critical apparatus. It is really easy to use and saved me lots of time
- squinting at the small print in book in my hand.
- copying my findings into notes.
It's excellent in the Greek NT. It's awesome in the Hebrew OT.
I wouldn't be without it.
It's sold in euros, so the pound-euro exchange rate just now makes it an even better bargain. [;)]
Every blessing
Alan
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Dan DeVilder said:
you know, the "golden birthday" is when your age is the same number as the number of the day you were born (ie, 24 on the 24th). Maybe we can have a "golden post"--the post number=library count.
You mean like this:
I may have to quit posting now. [:o] Or buy more books! [y]
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Thomas Black said:
I may have to quit posting now.
Or buy more books! 
Do the second option. We like you here... [:)][Y]
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Thomas Black said:
I may have to quit posting now.
Or buy more books! You can always "unhide" some that you've hidden, as a stop-gap measure.
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Trying to understand this-
I currently have the Scholar package. It shows the Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia with the WIVU . So do I qualify for the $159, the $179 or must I go for the "full meal deal?"
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Thomas Black said:
Or buy more books!
that's your only option.
. . . as long as you run it by your wife . . .
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Dan Sheppard said:
I currently have the Scholar package. It shows the Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia with the WIVU . So do I qualify for the $159, the $179 or must I go for the "full meal deal?"
You can go for the $179 one: http://www.logos.com/products/details/6485 The $159 is an upgrade for those that have SESB 1 or 2 already.
Of course if you want to go for the full set, by all means spend the $324. [:D]
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SESB is a third party product. Ownership of a Logos Base Package has no bearing on upgrade qualification to qualify for this upgrade you must have owned either SESB v1 or SESB v2 see. (http://www.logos.com/products/details/5257) for further details.
If you don't fall into this category you can purchase the SESB 'lite' package http://www.logos.com/products/details/6485 if you are a North American customer. This is because Logos are only licensed to distribute this product in this region. For Europeans customers you would need to go through German Bible Society. I could not see the lite package listed on their site but I would suggest you contact them for more details http://www.sesb-online.de/en/contact-information/. If you are not in Europe or North America I would suggest contacting Logos Customer service to see what your options are in purchasing this package.
The third option is the 'heavy' package for which Logos has no licensing restrictions http://www.logos.com/products/details/5181 as to whom they may distribute it.
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Thanks for the confirmation, guys. I too am interested only in the apparatuses (apparati? :op). Also I want the appendices of Nestle-Aland. I'm just wincing at the painful pricetag. C'mon, Logos! I bought a $1700 package and my Nestle-Aland doesn't include the apparatus and appendices? This is very disappointing. Until the price drops, I might have to keep doing the laborious Nestle-Aland appendix searches myself in the hard copy ($17 used on Amazon). $180 is just ridiculous. I love Logos, but this is ridiculous.
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For anyone reading this thread, this is an older thead.
But Matt ... I normally don't defend Logos but first, SESB is pretty picky about just about everything involving SESB. Secondly, the SESB packages are quite good. For me the resources I really needed worked out to about $30 per resource ... quite affordable.
Now if you want ONE resource out of a sizable collection ... and you want it from SESB. I wouldn't put odds on that.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Any other details not clear between the full version and the version for logos users, are about the BHQ :
The full version specified that includes the followings:
Biblia Hebraica Quinta (BHQ) fascicles Deuteronomy, Megilloth, Esther, Ezra, Nehemiah, Song of Solomon, Ecclesiastes, Lamentations
which I believe would include not only the BHQ Text but the "Notes on the Masorah Parva" and the "Commentary on the Critical Apparatus" for those individual specified books (these are included for the printed volume on BHQ fascicles Proverb, that I brought");
But for the "logos users" it was vague by just specifies "Biblia Hebraica Quinta", not sure which book(s) are included and whether the MP and commentary on CA are included?
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