Beta 4 Quick Impressions

Not a comprehensive review, but things I have noticed:

The Good

The program seems more responsive in general, but not ready for prime-time. If I click on an icon, there is a delay, but it seems to be not as bad.
No crashes - ever. In fact, I have not crashed since Beta 1, and that was rare.
No more log-in problems.
The program seems to come up, log in, and be ready to go more quickly now. I would like to seem more improvement though. It opens almost as fast as V3. Getting there...
Basic Search is almost Google-fast. Just about there!

The Bad

My top annoyance has not been addressed: When changing layouts, there is a delay, the entire program re-sizes, then another delay, then I finally get my layout. My blood pressure goes up 3 points each time.
Bible Search is still unusable. It may have gotten a little faster, but it still took over a minute to do a simple search. Back to v3 when I need to do that, and v3 and I broke up weeks ago. I feel like I am cheating on v4.

There are other things, but those are first on my mind. I think we are getting better with each release, which is the point of course. But be encouraged Logos; this thing is pretty darn awesome!!!

Jerry

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Comments

Bob Pritchett

Thanks for the feedback.

The layout changes are slow because they involve closing and then opening multiple panes, which is time consuming. We're looking into some optimizations, but when you move to a layout with multiple resources, it's just going to be a bit slow -- it has a lot to do.

Jerry Bush

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/15933#Comment_15933

I can understand what you are saying, and I could live with a delay in changing. What really bothers me is that the program shrinks and re-sizes. It comes back to normal, but it just seems weird and visually unapealing. Could just that part be fixed?

Thank you Bob, for responding and explaining things to us non-programmers. I am a complete fan of v4 and the direction you are taking us!

Jerry

Frank Sauer

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/15939#Comment_15939

As for the Bible search: searching one Bible on grace came back in 3 sec, top Bibles came back in 5 sec, but searching all Bibles did take 61 sec....

So for me since I rarely uses most of the versions not in top Bibles it is still very quick for me, but I can see the need to optimize for those who use all versions consistently, that one minute is pretty long.

TCBlack

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/15933#Comment_15933

The layout changes are slow because they involve closing and then opening multiple panes, which is time consuming. We're looking into some optimizations, but when you move to a layout with multiple resources, it's just going to be a bit slow -- it has a lot to do.

I agree with Jerry, it is a bit disorienting. Can you buffer the draw until everything is done and then draw it all at once?

{obviously I'm not a programmer [^o)]}

J.R. Miller

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/15939#Comment_15939

I can understand what you are saying, and I could live with a delay in changing. What really bothers me is that the program shrinks and re-sizes. It comes back to normal, but it just seems weird and visually unapealing. Could just that part be fixed?

Thank you Bob, for responding and explaining things to us non-programmers. I am a complete fan of v4 and the direction you are taking us!

Jerry

I agree Jerry. It gives the impression that something is wrong with the program. Most users can deal with a little time to transition, but this issue makes it look sloppy.

Scott Chambers

II agree with Jerry's assessment. The software is still slow in responding. I have never experienced a crash using the prom just during the install of the second beta. However the indexing is quite burdensome and it also eats a lot or resources. Things improve with each beta. But the indexing slows the rest of my computer as I do other things. I can live with the layout issue but the unresponsiveness and resource hogging needs addressed.

Adrian Warnock

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/15997#Comment_15997

to be honest I am struggling with the whole look. I dont like the newspaper, and I dont like that I cant find my esv reverse interlinear, I find the windows seem cluttered, and most of all I think I dont like it because I am using it on a windows machine, and I dont like windows any more! The machine I am on does not seem to be "man" enough to run it, tho it reached the spec, The indexing is way way to slow, and in fact never finished on my slow machine. Perhaps as a result, everything I ask it to do simply fails. I think I need to check out till you have a mac version, and pray that the mac version looks a lot less like a PC program. I was so excited too, but I think nice clean smooth mac programs have spoilt me!

J.R. Miller

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/16014#Comment_16014

Hi Adrian, I am a fellow Mac user and probably will not use 4.0 when it is released. Space limitations make it impossible to use both the Mac and PC versions on my system. The only reason I am still continuing to beta test, is that I am hoping my input will help influence the Mac version. In other words, I don't think Mac development will begin until there is a "final" version of 4.0. Then Logos will build to the finalized 4.0 specs. This is the most cost-effective method. So your input now, will determine a lot about what the Mac version does.

Ted Hans

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/16014#Comment_16014

to be honest I am struggling with the whole look. I dont like the newspaper, and I dont like that I cant find my esv reverse interlinear, I find the windows seem cluttered, and most of all I think I dont like it because I am using it on a windows machine, and I dont like windows any more! The machine I am on does not seem to be "man" enough to run it, tho it reached the spec, The indexing is way way to slow, and in fact never finished on my slow machine. Perhaps as a result, everything I ask it to do simply fails. I think I need to check out till you have a mac version, and pray that the mac version looks a lot less like a PC program. I was so excited too, but I think nice clean smooth mac programs have spoilt me!

Hi Adrian,

Small world so you made it into Beta, i was beginning to wonder if you would show up. Speak to you later.

Kind Regards,

Ted.

Bob Pritchett

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/16028#Comment_16028

The Mac version is not waiting for the Windows version... it's underway simultaneously...

J.R. Miller

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/16110#Comment_16110

Well, so much for my guess huh? Thanks for the info Bob. That is happy news!

Rodney Prickett

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/16122#Comment_16122

As far as the way layout open, it does take a little getting used to.

However, changing workspaces took just as long and you had to set up your toolbars for each one, etc.

Layouts are 100% improvement.

spitzerpl

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/16126#Comment_16126

Layouts are 100% improvement.

Agreed

Frank Sauer

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/16130#Comment_16130

The one final improvement that would make layouts outstanding would be a save/update current layout button. I would like to be able to just hit a update button or something, instead of having to rename to the same name any updating to a study layout. Another option that is missing from V3 that would be great would be the option to open to a layout or open to where the program was closed.

BillS

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/16134#Comment_16134

improvement that would make layouts outstanding would be a save/update current layout button. I would like to be able to just hit a update button or something, instead of having to rename to the same name any updating to a study layout. Another option that is missing from V3 that would be great would be the option to open to a layout or open to where the program was closed.

Yes!

That would include settings for visual filters that are STABLE--don't change after saving.

Thanks!

Kenneth Morris

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/16134#Comment_16134

The one final improvement that would make layouts outstanding would be a save/update current layout button. I would like to be able to just hit a update button or something, instead of having to rename to the same name any updating to a study layout. Another option that is missing from V3 that would be great would be the option to open to a layout or open to where the program was closed.

Yes, load the layout last used!

Charlene

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/16134#Comment_16134

The one final improvement that would make layouts outstanding would be a save/update current layout button. I would like to be able to just hit a update button or something, instead of having to rename to the same name any updating to a study layout. Another option that is missing from V3 that would be great would be the option to open to a layout or open to where the program was closed.

I agree to both!

Charlene