Kindle?
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I love my Kindle, but I would think that at present it's not the best medium for Logos. Just too limited in how you can work with the information there. It's built for reading, and it's great for that. On the other hand, Kindle will certainly evolve, and there are a multitude of other e-readers coming out as we speak, many with color and more functionality. As Logos becomes more cloud-based in the future, I would expect us to be able to access it in many ways. The iPhone app is surely just the beginning, though I believe a big screen will always be best for really getting the Logos experience.
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Apple's inevitable forthcoming much-rumored tablet will play a big role and possibly change e-readers much like the iPhone did for cell phones.
Here's an interesting concept:
http://www.cultofmac.com/how-would-apple-change-publishing-heres-one-theory/21225
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The Kindle is a closed system. Amazon is unlikely to support reading books on it that they didn't sell you. Notice that the most common format for public domain ebooks is not supported by the Kindle (if my memory is correct)
Prov. 15:23
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Kevin Becker said:
The Kindle is a closed system. Amazon is unlikely to support reading books on it that they didn't sell you. Notice that the most common format for public domain ebooks is not supported by the Kindle (if my memory is correct)
That's actually not true at all. All you have to do to read on a kindle is have it in a format that is supported including word doc, rtf, epub, pdf. If Logos wanted to and could get publisher rights to (the bigger hurdle) have an export to feature and let you choose one of those. I create stuff to read on my kindle all the time. I have a nice black leather folder for mine so when I did a wedding I send my wedding outline to it and bumped up the type and it went great. I have some text documents that I have converted into epub and read them on the Kindle. This doable. The only hurdles are ...
1. Logos being willing to engineer their software for it.
2. Publishers being wlling to give them the rights to do it.
Number 1 is not a problem for the fine folks in Washington. I know they could do it. And since they are working on #2 for iPhone, why not go two for one with the Kindle?
Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
Brushy Mountain Baptist Association0 -
Kevin A. Purcell said:
That's actually not true at all. All you have to do to read on a kindle is have it in a format that is supported including word doc, rtf, epub, pdf. If Logos wanted to and could get publisher rights to (the bigger hurdle) have an export to feature and let you choose one of those. I create stuff to read on my kindle all the time. I have a nice black leather folder for mine so when I did a wedding I send my wedding outline to it and bumped up the type and it went great. I have some text documents that I have converted into epub and read them on the Kindle. This doable. The only hurdles are ...
1. Logos being willing to engineer their software for it.
2. Publishers being wlling to give them the rights to do it.
Number 1 is not a problem for the fine folks in Washington. I know they could do it. And since they are working on #2 for iPhone, why not go two for one with the Kindle?
Not being a Kindle owner, I forgot about the other files it supports, my bad. [:$]
You've gotten the Kindle to read epub? Everything I've read says the Kindle doesn't support epub.
Either way, I apologize for speaking w/out fact-checking what were a set of incomplete impressions.
Prov. 15:23
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You are right. Not epub but pbd I think. I have not done it in a long time as the last few that I put on there were just text that I opened in Word and then emailed them that way.
Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
Brushy Mountain Baptist Association0 -
Logos needs its own branded reader. It seems like people want it to run like an OS anyway.
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I'm hoping there will be an e-reader for Logos soon, that's why I have currently not bought one yet. I'm afraid I will spent a lot of money on something, and then I need to buy something else for Logos.
The consequence is that I also don't know a lot about these e-readers.
But when I read the comments here, I'm thinkig very simple; go into a book, press Ctrl-A, (which makes you select the whole text) and then simply copy and paste it in word, and then import it in yoyr e-reader? Is this a strange thougth? Am I missing something?
Now, off course we would all love for the links to other books to work as well, but I expect that this will never be possible in an e-reader, or am I wrong? I guess that if we want this, we need to use a tablet pc?
I'm currious to hear your thoughts?
Mat 6:33
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I was just telling my wife that it would be nice to download Logos books onto the Kindle for relaxed reading. If this doesn't happen I'll just wait for the Crunchpad to finally come out.
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AAvanderLeij said:
I'm hoping there will be an e-reader for Logos soon, that's why I have currently not bought one yet. I'm afraid I will spent a lot of money on something, and then I need to buy something else for Logos.
The consequence is that I also don't know a lot about these e-readers.
But when I read the comments here, I'm thinkig very simple; go into a book, press Ctrl-A, (which makes you select the whole text) and then simply copy and paste it in word, and then import it in yoyr e-reader? Is this a strange thougth? Am I missing something?
Now, off course we would all love for the links to other books to work as well, but I expect that this will never be possible in an e-reader, or am I wrong? I guess that if we want this, we need to use a tablet pc?
I'm currious to hear your thoughts?
Hmm. Sounds like a good idea. Unfortunately, format shifting of copyrighted content is technically illegal. But I doubt the police will be knocking down the door.
Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
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One idea for those of you, who attend a church with those big-screen TVs.
Hook up your iPhone to them and you get large enough font for the oldest lady in the back row, to be able to read it. The only problem, is that if your screens are hooked up to WiFi, it could play havoc with your service and your pastor's sermon, if everyone tries it during the service. But I bet on a Monday night, there are few people trying to "logon".
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Kevin A. Purcell said:
Unfortunately, format shifting of copyrighted content is technically illegal. But I doubt the police will be knocking down the door.
This obviously will depend on your jurisdiction, in Australian copyright legislation this is explicitly allowed (as I read it - not a lawyer [:D]).
Under US law wouldn't this be justifiable as Fair Use? It is different to format-shifting eg a DVD, where you breach the DMCA by breaking the copy-protection. (The equivalent there would be directly hacking the .logos4 files to extract their contents...)
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Jon Rumble said:Kevin A. Purcell said:
Unfortunately, format shifting of copyrighted content is technically illegal. But I doubt the police will be knocking down the door.
This obviously will depend on your jurisdiction, in Australian copyright legislation this is explicitly allowed (as I read it - not a lawyer
). Under US law wouldn't this be justifiable as Fair Use? It is different to format-shifting eg a DVD, where you breach the DMCA by breaking the copy-protection. (The equivalent there would be directly hacking the .logos4 files to extract their contents...)
Yeah, but the US is all that matters really. Of course you know I'm kidding and I apologize for assuming. Our laws here need to be fixed for the 21st century and digital media.
Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
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Just to add my vote. It would be fantastic to be able to export books from Logos to the Kindle to save the eyes. Logos 4 is fantastic for study, etc., but the Kindle is (obviously) more convenient and comfortable for leisurely reading... To import our notes from the Kindle into Logos would be peachy... but I would settle for just being able to export to the Kindle.
I am easily pleased.
I am lovin Logos 4 btw... Thank you team Logos!
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Kindle? No
But I hope Logos seriously considers the Barnes & Noble Nook -- its a more open platform, and I'm guessing it will steal a very large segment of the ebook market away from the Kindle.
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JohnKaess said:
Kindle? No
But I hope Logos seriously considers the Barnes & Noble Nook -- its a more open platform, and I'm guessing it will steal a very large segment of the ebook market away from the Kindle.
I would love to hear it explained why people think this. Maybe I'm missing something, but the Kindle is no more closed than the Nook. It reads a great many formats. I can make all my documents, whether Word .doc, html, rtf, txt, even pdf into Kindle books including making covers and workable tables of contents. I can also read my Kindle books on my iPhone and on my desktop. I checked out the Nook and its present advantage is color, which I think Kindle is adopting soon (it will be forced to, though it will use more battery power that way). Another possible advantage of the Nook is that it takes a data card, which could be good for, say, a Logos library if a massive version is ever available. But in terms of being a closed system, I don't get that. I have probably missed something.
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Kindle is definitely NOT a closed system. It may seem closed if I have a book in one of the formats it does not support, but it supports enough formats that it is not closed. In fact you can buy the hardware and use it a lot never ever putting a single purchased book on it. It has a very limited web browser. It takes books via email. You just send it the device's email address and it syncs up (there is a small fee for this) or you can send it to another email address and they will convert the document and you get it via email and then can add it manually via the USB cable.
I don't mind that it is not color. Keeps the battery life good. With Whisper Sync turned on (the sprint radio) I get about a few days of life with heavy usage. With it off I get a couple of weeks.
The nook has a cool feature that you can read books while you are in the B&N store. I'd love that. I have a coffee shop in the one in Hickory and I would be happy to go there and read every Monday after lunch and never buy a book. But that is the only real feature that I envy.
Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
Brushy Mountain Baptist Association0 -
Rob Suggs said:
I checked out the Nook and its present advantage is color, which I think Kindle is adopting soon (it will be forced to, though it will use more battery power that way).
I checked out the Nook page too and it's somewhat misleading. Apparently there a separate color touchscreen for book selection, while for books it is basically using (I think) the same e-ink display which is in black and white. [:O]
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Amy Leung said:Rob Suggs said:
I checked out the Nook and its present advantage is color, which I think Kindle is adopting soon (it will be forced to, though it will use more battery power that way).
I checked out the Nook page too and it's somewhat misleading. Apparently there a separate color touchscreen for book selection, while for books it is basically using (I think) the same e-ink display which is in black and white.
That's interesting. Like Kevin, I can live without the color if it helps me keep from plugging the thing in to recharge it every single day, as I nearly do with iPhone. Kindle is great. I turn on whispersynch just long enough for it to download a couple of blogs or any new books, then I turn it back off and I won't have to recharge it for weeks.
Some suggest Logos get into the hardware game and sell a dedicated reader. I can't see this happening, though I'd line up to buy it. Most of us, I suspect, can do just fine on our laptops and desktops without having to do advanced language study on the subway on a small device. [;)] I'm as devoted to gadgets as most, but I come to a point where I recognize I can live life with the ones I've got.
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Did you notice this?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=200324680
Update claims 85% better battery life and native PDF support.
Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
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Wow...that's quite an update, Kevin. Including landscape viewing, full pdf capability...Kindle has a good thing going.
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Kevin Becker said:
The Kindle is a closed system. Amazon is unlikely to support reading books on it that they didn't sell you. Notice that the most common format for public domain ebooks is not supported by the Kindle (if my memory is correct)
Since I own a Kindle I don't have to guess about its capabilities. There are thousands of free books available for wireless download at the Kindle store. One example is Halley's Bible Handbook with the New International Version which is currently free (including the wireless download).
The Kindle can read mobi-format eBooks. There are several free programs that you can use to covert other eBook formats to mobi. One free program is Calibre.
I often want to read many of the books that I have purchased for my Logos library. It is much easier and comfortable to read them with my Kindle while I am sitting in my favorite chair. I can hold the Kindle like a book and its battery will last longer than I can stay awake before it needs to be recharged. Logos 4 excels at research and searching a vast library. The Kindle excels at reading eBooks.
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Kevin A. Purcell said:
Did you notice this?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=200324680
Update claims 85% better battery life and native PDF support.
Thanks for the "heads up." I turned on the wireless on my Kindle and it started downloading the new update.
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It would be nice for Logos to let us download the books we have purchased from them directly to the Kindle. However, it is possible to read them now on the Kindle it just takes a little more work. Anything that you can copy to a word processor can be formatted into a Kindle book using a free program like Calibre.Bryan Smith said:I was just telling my wife that it would be nice to download Logos books onto the Kindle for relaxed reading. If this doesn't happen I'll just wait for the Crunchpad to finally come out.
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I doubt that export to Kindle will come any time soon. Logos has had trouble just letting us use the same books we already have purchased on our desktop program on our ipods. I know they are working on it, but there is really not good excuse for this not being available the day the ipod software was released. I know it is not the fault of Logos, but the publishers. However, it is still ridiculous.
Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
Brushy Mountain Baptist Association0 -
Rob Suggs said:
I'm as devoted to gadgets as most, but I come to a point where I recognize I can live life with the ones I've got.
I HOPE you are saying that "tongue in cheek", Rob. [:D]
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I mentioned earlier that there were thousands of free books available for the Kindle. I thought I would post some links to document this claim.
Link to the almost 20,000 books that you can download for free from the Kindle store using the built in wireless.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/search?tag=kwab-20&node=154606011&p_36=0-0&redirect=trueLink to new non-public domain books that are available for free for the Kindle.
http://www.amazon.com/s/?keywords=-domain&tag=kwab-20&rs=154606011&page=1&bbn=154606011&rh=n:133140011,n:!133141011,n:154606011,k:-domain,p_36:0-0&sort=-edition-sales-velocityLink to free Project Gutenberg eBooks that you can download for free. (Kindle uses the Mobi format.)
http://www.freekindlebooks.org/MagicCatalog/magiccatalog.htmlLink explaining how to convert a million free Google books in ePub format so you can read them on the Kindle.
http://kindleworld.blogspot.com/2009/08/million-free-google-books-in-epub-for.html0 -
Kevin A. Purcell said:Kevin Becker said:
The Kindle is a closed system. Amazon is unlikely to support reading books on it that they didn't sell you. Notice that the most common format for public domain ebooks is not supported by the Kindle (if my memory is correct)
That's actually not true at all. All you have to do to read on a kindle is have it in a format that is supported including word doc, rtf, epub, pdf. If Logos wanted to and could get publisher rights to (the bigger hurdle) have an export to feature and let you choose one of those. I create stuff to read on my kindle all the time. I have a nice black leather folder for mine so when I did a wedding I send my wedding outline to it and bumped up the type and it went great. I have some text documents that I have converted into epub and read them on the Kindle. This doable. The only hurdles are ...
1. Logos being willing to engineer their software for it.
2. Publishers being wlling to give them the rights to do it.
Number 1 is not a problem for the fine folks in Washington. I know they could do it. And since they are working on #2 for iPhone, why not go two for one with the Kindle?
Kevin - I do not have a Kindle but am interested. Do you think it
would be a good tool for sermon notes? I mean preaching straight from
the Kindle?Jerry
iMac (2019 model), 3Ghz 6 Core Intel i5, 16gb Ram, Radeon Pro Graphics. 500GB SSD.
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Jerry,
Not the way I preach. I would have to come back and hit the next button and previous button to find my place. For me the best approaches are to a)memorize and preach extemporaneously or b) use dead trees.
What I have done is do a wedding from it. But when I do a wedding I am basically just reading the service for the most part. If you preach that way (shame on you[;)]) then it works great. But finding your place if you step away from the pulpit/lecturn and then returning would be an issue.
Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
Brushy Mountain Baptist Association0 -
Jerry Bush said:
Kevin - I do not have a Kindle but am interested. Do you think it would be a good tool for sermon notes? I mean preaching straight from the Kindle?
Jerry
I bought the Kindle DX so I could use it for my sermon notes while preaching. (The DX is about 2.5 times larger than the regular Kindle.) I use a detailed outline while preaching so I covert my notes to a PDF file and copy it over to my Kindle. The PDF retains all of the indentation. I also use very large fonts.
The only problem I have had so far is that once I hit the wrong button and went to the previous page. I had to hit the next page button twice to get to the right place in my outline. Of course that is minor compared to the time I dropped my paper notes off the pulpit.
Last week I taught an eight hour conference giving a Christian critique of Islam. The presentation had 150 Power Point slides. I created a separate page on my Kindle for each slide along with additional information that was not on the Power Point presentation. I was able to keep my Kindle in step with the computer.
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