This is the base post to try the new forums as the file distribution method. Note that to zip the files and provide a list of the files does involve extra steps. I will try attaching additional files as replies to this message so that subsequent offerings will be easily found. Before the NG forum format is extinguished (reaches nirvana as the Buddhists say) I will repost the material available only there.
Please let me (and Logos) know if you have any difficulties with the zipped attachments. The file list is a clip of a screen image; this clip is also included in the zipped file. So let's see how this all works.
MJ

3051.Creeds_2009_Aug_28_group.zip