Which Ethiopia?

Tes
Tes Member Posts: 4,005 ✭✭✭
edited November 20 in English Forum

In the bible in Psalm 68:31 we read that God gave  a promise to Ethiopia. I am interested to know specific the  Ethiopia  for which this promise was given .I would be glad as well ,if there could be a Map , 

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  • Mark Barnes
    Mark Barnes Member Posts: 15,432

    The ESV study Bible has this:

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    Several resources, including Biblical Places say it corresponds roughly with modern Ethiopia.

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  • Tes
    Tes Member Posts: 4,005 ✭✭✭

    HI, Mark ,but there is unclear  reference either  for Cush or Ethiopia.There is history which mentions out of the Bible ,which says its boarders were to the east up to India:In the new Testament when we see about the Ethiopian eunuch mentioned , in acts 8 I doubt ,whether it was  the current Ethiopia, it is mentioned he was a" a court official of Candace" and the transport he had used was ,"chariot" so I can only suspect , he was some where place in the Arab countries and The queen of Sheba,by most Ethiopians it is believed that she was queen of Ethiopia. And some say she was the queen of the Arabs,it shows that during that time the Arab countries were under Ethiopia,during the time of king Solomon.I am interested  to know to whom the promise of Psalms 68:31 refers? I would be glad if this could be identified specifically for the sake of prayer about the promise given by God.

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  • Mark Barnes
    Mark Barnes Member Posts: 15,432

    Exegetically the main point of Psalm 68:31 is that distant Gentile lands that currently oppose God's purposes (such as Egypt and Cush) will become followers of God (cf. Zephaniah 3:10). I'm not sure the promise is meant to be restricted to a particularly geographical area, but rather to speak more generally of distant lands.

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  • Tes
    Tes Member Posts: 4,005 ✭✭✭

    but rather to speak more generally of distant lands

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    which lands?

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  • Mark Barnes
    Mark Barnes Member Posts: 15,432

    I think that in these verses Cush represents all distant Gentile lands.

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  • DMB
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    I suspect the discussion of  'Cush' probably has to extend outside Psa 68, and in so doing one oversteps various periods of OT writing (thus an assumption of similar meaning). I thought it was interesting that the GW english version goes with 'Sudan'. Tes' whole question is an excellent exercise in hebraic and poetic exegesis for anyone interested. I copied 3 commentary sections from Psa 68:31  just to illustrate the problem (upper-casing the most important):

    Continental Commentaries (doesn't discuss 'Cush' specifically)
    That CUSH WILL BECOME A WORSHIPER OF YAHWEH is expected in Zeph. 3:10*; Isa. 18:7*; Zech. 14:16ff*. H. Gunkel thinks of events of the fourth century b.c.e., which might have been the reason for this petition: “The real enemy of Judaism at that time is Egypt, which in 408–343 was independent, vigorously maintained its freedom against the Persians, and at times also encroached on Syria.” This is a possibility for the dating.

    WBC (lengthy discussion)
    The prayer continues with the wish that those who delight in war would be scattered (v 31d) and that envoys would come from Egypt and Cush to pay homage to Yahweh (v 32). Cush is frequently translated as “Ethiopia,” but seems to be a rather general term for the territory south of Egypt. LePeau (Psalm 68, 218) thinks that CUSH IS INTENDED HERE AS A FIGURE for “the ends of the earth” and cites Zeph 3:9–10 as another example of such usage. He notes (217) that nowhere else in Psalms does a foreign people give homage and bring tribute to Yahweh. Outside the Psalter, however, this is not the case (see Isa 18:7; 19:18–25; Zech 14:16–19). The lack of other references in the Psalter is probably fortuitous.

    Hermeneia
    This strophe interprets the most important points of the political agenda: reception of regular payments of tribute, holding in check the major power, Egypt (the wild beast of the reeds), along with other rebellious nations, and SECURING TRADE WITH THE DISTANT SOUTH (Egypt and Ethiopia). The political constellation in the background is difficult to determine because of the difficulties in translating the strophe and also because of the poetic haziness.

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  • Steve Adams
    Steve Adams Member Posts: 88

    utilizing the resources in Logos we have this:

     

    Our passage pauses, therefore, at the start to identify Ham again as “the father of Canaan” (v. 22; cf. v. 18) in anticipation of the curse against Canaan (v. 25).

    K. A. Mathews, vol. 1A, Genesis 1-11:26, electronic ed., Logos Library System; The New American Commentary (Nashville: Broadman & Holman Publishers, 2001), 417.

     

    Keeping a Christo-centric hermeneutic Cush would then be viewed as the "world" or representative of the Gentile world since Israel would route them out of the Promised Land (they are Canaanites first).  That Cush is then also translated Ethiopia, it would remind us of Egypt, the land of slavery, another type of "the world" as opposed to God's People (The Church from Gen 3:15 onward).

     

    nancy

  • Tes
    Tes Member Posts: 4,005 ✭✭✭

    It is most detail mentioned in "International standard Bible Encyclopedia" ,I would like to know how you would view it ,if you could read it in this Encyclopedia ? Or in any other resources?


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