ex-CITED BY the way my arrangement keeps getting lost
... I have re-arranged the CITED BY section on numerous occasions only to have Logos automatically re-arrange my collections in alphabetical order [while indexing?] It is helpful to me to have the Collections I want near the top to stay put ... at the top of the list. Over and over, the order changes - it is getting a little frustrating. What should I do? Simply give up on creating my own order until I get word that this has been addressed? At some point I believe this will be addressed [possibly with even more options / flexibility] but for now I am a little perplexed.
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Ron Corbett said:
... I have re-arranged the CITED BY section on numerous occasions only to have Logos automatically re-arrange my collections in alphabetical order
After I arranged Cited by… in the order I wanted, I saved it as part of a Layout. Thereafter, it almost stays as I left it. The except is that everytime I create a new collection, L4 adds it to the end of the Cited by… list.
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Jack Caviness said:
After I arranged Cited by… in the order I wanted, I saved it as part of a Layout. Thereafter, it almost stays as I left it. The except is that everytime I create a new collection, L4 adds it to the end of the Cited by… list.
It's that simple??
And if so, can I save different orders in different Layouts ???
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Ron Corbett said:
It's that simple??
It is. Do you know how to rearrange collections in the list?
Ron Corbett said:And if so, can I save different orders in different Layouts ???
I just tried it, and I have different arrangements for two different layouts. I am not sure that you can have different collections in the list however. It appears that if I remove a collection in one layout, it is also removed in other layouts. I can only rearrange the order in which they appear.
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Dave
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Another, perhaps easier, way to accomplish what you want is by using Favorites. Set up the Cited By tool as you choose, then drag its tab to Favorites. It will remember the setup. Clicking on it in Favorites will open to the passage you saved it with, but if you saved it with the link set set to Follow you can scroll in the text and it will jump to that place.
This way you can set up different Cited By arrangements for different uses. Once in Favorites you can rename them to keep them straight. You can also drag them from Favorites to the menu bar to create a shortcut.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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Dave Hooton said:
Try it!
Just did
I made 4 different Layouts and then closed Logos. I will now reopen and check ...BRB (be right back)
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Thanks Dave,
This DOES seem to work. I am glad !!!!!
I like Mark's idea too. That may have some other applications for me - I will look into that in the near future.
I do have 2 more issues that have come up while experimenting:
1] I have some duplicates in the CITED BY list (I am suspecting this might be a tagging mistake so I am going to check this first)
2] I have SO MANY mytags: *.* That it takes me quite a while to drag my books up and down the CITED BY list. Should I use some other method of organizing? Does this create other issues (slowing Logos down at all)? I wish I could HIDE some of the resources in this list so it would be easier to navigate.
ALso (off topic but,) there are some other areas where I suspect it will be needful to be able to HIDE or COLLAPSE categories in different places. One that comes to mind is the visual filters icon on menu bars. Sometimes there are so many nOTES or Visual Filters, etc, that this could soon get unwieldy. Just a thought.
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Ron Corbett said:
2] I have SO MANY mytags: *.* That it takes me quite a while to drag my books up and down the CITED BY list. Should I use some other method of organizing? Does this create other issues (slowing Logos down at all)? I wish I could HIDE some of the resources in this list so it would be easier to navigate.
You don't have to use them all in Cited By. I might use 1 mytag because it is not covered by a Collection and I only use some of my collections. Choose the combination of mytag and Collections that avoids duplication of resources eg. choose a few collections and then add mytag's if you need to list other resources. Also, you can use the little arrow (below) in the list to keep collections closed until you want to see their content.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Dave Hooton said:
Also, you can use the little arrow (below) in the list to keep collections closed until you want to see their content.
Dave,
Thanks again. I appreciate that, but I am talking about the dropdown menu from the TAB where you manage the Collections (and mytags:) This is what is time consuming for me everytime I need to re-arrange my Collections.
BTW - I also found (which you probably already know) that Right-Clicking on those little arrows allows you to Expand All or Collapse All. Very useful. I really love the Cited By tool. It really helps me in my work.
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Ron Corbett said:
Thanks again. I appreciate that, but I am talking about the dropdown menu from the TAB where you manage the Collections (and mytags:) This is what is time consuming for me everytime I need to re-arrange my Collections.
I misunderstood. In that case you should minimise the number of mytag's and/or collections. I have 5 mytag and 18 collections; very basic but essential.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Mark A. Smith said:
Another, perhaps easier, way to accomplish what you want is by using Favorites.
I've got to make more use of that feature!
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Dave Hooton said:
In that case you should minimise the number of mytag's and/or collections. I have 5 mytag and 18 collections; very basic but essential.
I have 80 Collections and 122 mytags:
I am thinking that these help me to get more out of Logos. Mytags are useful in forming Collections and the Collections are great in the CITED BY section. I even have individual books / small subsets of Collections that are arranged in Cited By. It brings so many things into close proximity.
What is the down side? Will this create problems that offset its usefulness to me?
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Ron Corbett said:
What is the down side? Will this create problems that offset its usefulness to me?
If you haven't noticed any background processing (L4 searches the library catalog to determine the resources in your dynamic collections) then you just have the issue of scrolling through lists of collections and tags in various menus.
Would you mind showing how you build dynamic collections with your tags?
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Dave Hooton said:
Would you mind showing how you build dynamic collections with your tags?
For the most part I use many of the collection strings provided a while back by Mark Barnes. They were the basis of alot of my collections. Not all the collections that I made are as dynamic, but they serve me well. I will have to look at specific Collections later in the day as I am pressed for time now. I'll get back to you on this, but I don't think it is bogging down my work.
I use mytags in Cited By and when I want to find similar books without scrolling through my whole LIBRARY. I have tags like: Greek Grammar, Prayer, Discipleship, Theology, Messianic, Jewish Background, Systematic, Apologetics, Baker Exegetical, Carson, Counselling, Leadership, LXX, Synoptic, Temple, UBS, Yeshua, etc. These help me to search my Library easier. I don't have to remember ALL the books I have on a particular subject; merely search the category where I think I may have placed it. I can usually find what I want right away. [BTW - Recently, I have been using Favorites for this, and it is MUCH easier - I may do away with the mytags in time.]
ADDED NOTE:
Here is my Greek Grammars, it gives me 7 resources:
title:"greek grammar",greek new testament", "NT Greek syntax", grammar ANDNOT(hebrew,cascadia,lexham,commentary)
Here is my Commentaries Academic (copied and pasted directly from Mark B.):
type:bible-commentary series:(“New International Commentary on the Old and New Testament”, "New American Commentary", “New International Greek Testament Commentary”, Hermeneia, “Critical Commentary”, JPS, Pillar, “socio-rhetorical”, “word biblical”, reading, classic, “ancient christian commentary”, “Baker Exegetical”)
Here is my Christology:
mytag:Christology
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Ron Corbett said:
Here is my Greek Grammars, it gives me 7 resources:
title:"greek grammar",greek new testament", "NT Greek syntax", grammar ANDNOT(hebrew,cascadia,lexham,commentary)
I used
mytag:GreekGrammar OR type:Grammar subject:Greek
I use mytag for 8 resources because I wanted them grouped here, but they are classed as monographs by Logos.
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Ron Corbett said:
I use mytags in Cited By and when I want to find similar books without scrolling through my whole LIBRARY.
I see what you mean! I tend to use the Type and Series columns in Library + my Collections.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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