Catholic Users

I was just wondering if there are any other Catholic users of Logos in these forums. What do you think of the Catholic resources?

Some of the theological resources are dated, but nevertheless useful if you studied theology (like myself). They have some good offerings. I hope they will increase their Catholic titles. The scripture study resources for work in the original languages are excellent.

For my protestant brethren, please don't engage me in theological and biblical debates. I am just interested in an answer to my question.

Pax!

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K.J.

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Rick

Hi Jeremy and glad to see you posting! There sure are some Catholics that use the forums and I'm guessing that they will let themselves be known here shortly. There are also some protestants (from my understanding) on the forums that use some of the Catholic resources as well.

NetworkGeek

Hi Jeremy.

There are quite a few active forum users that are either Catholic or use Catholic resources. Check this thread out to see some of the resources, there are actually a lot more than there were even two years ago.

Those resources coupled with an outstanding product in Logos 4 makes Bible and faith study very rich indeed. I highly recommend it as I am sure many others here do. If you decide to leap in and have questions, there are many resources to help you here on the forums, the wiki, videos, Mark Barnes' videos, and more!

Good luck!

James Matichuk

Welcome!

I am one of the Protestant users of Catholic resources in Logos. Just a note to say welcome and I concur that I wish Logos would add more Catholic titles. Specifically, some sort of deal with Ignatius press would be great (which publishes books by Benedict, von Balthasar, de Lubac, Congar, Rahner, Dulles, etc.)

As I understand it, the forums are not suppose to be the place for vigorous theological discussion (though most of us slip up on that from time to time [:D]). So you shouldn't have to worry about protestants debating you, just remind them of the forum rules.

Jonathan Burke

I am one of the Protestant users of Catholic resources in Logos.

I'm another, and I find them quite useful.

Jeremy Kritt

Thanks for the welcome. I agree with your comments. The authors you mentioned would be an incredible reference for scholars that study Catholic theology. I wonder how Ignatius Press would respond to an offer. We can always hope and pray.

Dan Francis

I was just wondering if there are any other Catholic users of Logos in these forums. What do you think of the Catholic resources?

Some of the theological resources are dated, but nevertheless useful if you studied theology (like myself). They have some good offerings. I hope they will increase their Catholic titles. The scripture study resources for work in the original languages are excellent.

For my protestant brethren, please don't engage me in theological and biblical debates. I am just interested in an answer to my question.

Pax!

Not quite RC here, but as a High Anglican as close as you are going to get in the protestant world... I am lucky to have found a copy of the old Logos catholic Library so have the Jerome Biblical Commentary, currently the best catholic set available is the Liturgical Press' Collegeville Library 3 is so wonderful (i even gave this to my sister in law for a Bridal shower gift, she is the youth minister in her Catholic church). She loves it. I really wish Logos had more Catholic resources because even though I am not RC I appreciate their scholarship for the most part. The Anchor Bible, although ecumenical has a large percentage of RC scholars contributing. The newly complete Ancient Christian Commentary is a great resource for patristic quotes relating to the Biblical text (although the volume on the deutracanon is incomplete, since Judith, Macabees, and the additions to Esther are not covered other than being dealt with in the front matter).

Going on ecumenical resources again, if Logos is able to get the New Interpreter's Bible it covers the complete Roman Catholic Cannon, I love mine and use it every day, but it's software leaves much to be desired.

One would think Logos would like to focus a bit more on RC resources since they are by far the largest group in the Christian world.

-Dan

PS: Sorry if you were only wanting to hear from RC.

Dan Francis

YIKES.... Logos no longer sells Collegeville 3.0 Liturgical press amazon and CBD still list it as being for sale. When you click the link on the link from their catholic resource page it says no longer for sale. The do have 2.0 for sale at a good price and then you could upgrade to the full 3.0 at Lit Press, but it's still odd, if I remember back to my upgrading price i think it's only $50. Although save yourself some hassle by just get it at CBD. It's so odd to not see it from Logos though..

-dan

fgh

Dan

Over the last few weeks I've observed a number of CD-only product pages, including this one, disappear. Some of them have later reappeared as downloads. I suspect and hope this is only a temporary glitch while they update,

MJ. Smith

There are some other Catholics that have not responded - myself included. With the introduction of verse maps to make it easy to navigate across translations, the increased interest in Patristics among Logos' core users, the addition of more Eastern Church materials (Syriac, Coptic) ... I suspect Logos will see a major increase in Catholic users. The more customers interested the more related resources they will make available.

Dan Francis

Dan

Over the last few weeks I've observed a number of CD-only product pages, including this one, disappear. Some of them have later reappeared as downloads. I suspect and hope this is only a temporary glitch while they update,

Yes now that i think about it Tyndale disappeared for a couple weeks....

-Dan

PS:Shouldn't be such a worry wort, but occasionally things go off license, like the old Catholic Collection, took me years to track one down, and then even harder to find the libronix file for Jerome Bible Commentary.

fgh

I was just wondering if there are any other Catholic users of Logos in these forums. What do you think of the Catholic resources?

While not formally Catholic, I'm theologically fairly conservative Catholic, so I'll jump in.

Like you, I find the language resources excellent, but the rest is fairly thin. I'm working on a long list of suggestions, some of which will turn up in the Suggestions forum when I find the time, so you might want to keep an eye open and add a thumbs up to the ones you like.

My main objection, though, is the price issue. If we leave the Original Languages base package out of the picture -- that one is excellent value for everyone with some knowledge of those languages -- the rest of the base packages are financially extremely unfair to Catholics (and even more so to Orthodox and Jews). While an Evangelical pastor can probably use 50-90% of the content, and therefore receives an enormous discount, someone like me will probably never use more than 10% or so, and therefore ends up paying only slightly less than buying what I really want separately. (In fact, at full price I probably never would have upgraded like I did; it probably wouldn't have been worth it.) And on top of that, I then have to pay an awful lot extra to get the equivalent Catholic resources to those that Evangelicals have already gotten in the base package (if they exist at all, that is). At the end of the day, for a similarly useful library, Logos will cost me many many times more than it would for an Evangelical. Needless to say, I'm not too happy about that price policy...

Though I guess the one advantage with few Catholic titles is that I get the chance to buy them on prepub. [:)] Or, even better, on CP. [:D] And I'm very grateful for the fast production of the Catholic Theology and Dogma collection, once it made it out of 'gathering interest'. That's probably the shortest production time I've seen in my months here!

Not quite RC here, but as a High Anglican as close as you are going to get in the protestant world...

As a High Church Lutheran from the historically most Catholic Lutheran church in the world, I would definitely like to question that assertion -- but since we're not supposed to debate theology I'd better [:#]. [;)]

I am lucky to have found a copy of the old Logos catholic Library so have the Jerome Biblical Commentary

If you (or anyone else) should happen to find another copy, I'm probably interested (don't know exactly what was in it, or what kind of price we're talking about).

tom

the rest of the base packages are financially extremely unfair to Catholics

I would expand this and say anyone who is not Evangelical. I have the original language package, and I will never upgrade because I would never use any of the material.

NetworkGeek

If you (or anyone else) should happen to find another copy, I'm probably interested (don't know exactly what was in it, or what kind of price we're talking about).

It was originally a CDROM I think on Logos 2, $139. It had New American Bible, New Jerusalem Bible, Latin Vulgate, Jerome Biblical Commentary, and The Confessions of St. Augustine plus of course Logos. Nice little starter kit for the time, all of that is in Logos now except the Jerome is old and not the current version.

I got my copy after the fact because I expressed my interest on the old newsgroup, and someone sold it to me - rather cheaply, I think for $50. Maybe someone will see your interest and do the same!

fgh

It was originally a CDROM I think on Logos 2, $139. It had New American Bible, New Jerusalem Bible, Latin Vulgate, Jerome Biblical Commentary, and The Confessions of St. Augustine plus of course Logos.

It wasn't any more than that? I had gotten the impression there was a bigger one. I've already got NAB, Vulgate and Augustine, and, being outside North America, I'm not officially allowed to use the New Jerusalem, so I don't know if they can unlock that for me. I'm afraid I'm not going to pay like $50, plus $20 to Logos, for just the old Jerome. I've got it on paper. Guess I'll probably have to wait for them to publish the new one...

T MacLeod

I'm a Catholic user. As far my own use of Logos goes, I tend to be more interested in critical scholarship, where the denominational affiliation of authors isn't really a matter of great concern.

As far as specifically Catholic titles goes (not including critical works by scholars like Brown, Fitzmyer, Collins, etc.) I own the Collegeville Reference Library, which is very useful and a wonderful value. Some of the other collections, like the Catholic Spirituality Collection and the upcoming Catholic Theology and Dogma Collection have a lot of outdated resources or else outdated translations of classic works for which I already own better translations in print. So I'm not terribly interested in those. I'd buy Denzinger if it was available separately, but alas it is not.

I'd love to see collections of works of more recent Catholic theologians, but as the ones I'm interested are not only Catholic but also quite progressive (at least by Evangelical Protestant standards -- I'm thinking of people like Karl Rahner, for example), and would not likely appeal to the large majority of Logos users, I'm not holding my breath.

It would be useful if they would make the Catechism and the Documents of Vatican II available, and perhaps this is a more realistic expectation. Oh, and the New Jerome Biblical Commentary would be nice.

Rosie Perera

It would be useful if they would make the Catechism and the Documents of Vatican II available, and perhaps this is a more realistic expectation. Oh, and the New Jerome Biblical Commentary would be nice.

I'd also like to see the papal encyclicals.

Friedrich

I'd love to see collections of works of more recent Catholic theologians, but as the ones I'm interested are not only Catholic but also quite progressive (at least by Evangelical Protestant standards -- I'm thinking of people like Karl Rahner, for example), and would not likely appeal to the large majority of Logos users, I'm not holding my breath.

It would be useful if they would make the Catechism and the Documents of Vatican II available

Rahner would be terrific. I believe he would appeal to a wide variety of evangelical scholars and seminary students, but probably not by the larger crowd who would invest in MacArthur, Piper, etc.

I'd love to see the Liturgy of the Hours. I personally own the abridged "Christian Prayer" book and use it daily for morning and evening prayers. Having that in Logos would be a great benefit. along with the little "St. Joseph's Guide to the Liturgy of the Hours."

Throw in Schnackenburg, too! And the lesser known: "Will Catholics Be Left Behind" by Carl E. Olson.

I am a non-Catholic who'd love these resources. I have yet to purchase the Collegeville library, however.

Dan Francis

Though I guess the one advantage with few Catholic titles is that I get the chance to buy them on prepub. Or, even better, on CP. And I'm very grateful for the fast production of the Catholic Theology and Dogma collection, once it made it out of 'gathering interest'. That's probably the shortest production time I've seen in my months here!

Not quite RC here, but as a High Anglican as close as you are going to get in the protestant world...

As a High Church Lutheran from the historically most Catholic Lutheran church in the world, I would definitely like to question that assertion -- but since we're not supposed to debate theology I'd better .

I am lucky to have found a copy of the old Logos catholic Library so have the Jerome Biblical Commentary

If you (or anyone else) should happen to find another copy, I'm probably interested (don't know exactly what was in it, or what kind of price we're talking about).

Raised low lutheran here, and I am perhaps less than many anglicans, indeed the church I attend is lower church than the Calgary Cathedral where I was an alter server for years. I found it by simply searching for it every few months one day in google a small store in new york state had it listed i called ordered it was told it was their last copy and thought it was unsellable because of it age.. I paid $85 plus shipping I think. Just keep searching God will lead you to it eventually. God knows I never thought I would find it yet alone a new copy, but it was out there...

-Dan

James Matichuk

If not Ignatius press, Orbis press would be interesting. Granted a number of Logos users would be scandalized by the Liberation theology that Orbis publishes, but they also publish a number of the standard texts of Missiology (Bosch, Walls, etc.). There are a number of Catholic publishers which I think Logos should talk with, but perhaps if they just expanded their relationship with Liturgical Press.

Dan Francis

I'm a Catholic user. As far my own use of Logos goes, I tend to be more interested in critical scholarship, where the denominational affiliation of authors isn't really a matter of great concern.

As far as specifically Catholic titles goes (not including critical works by scholars like Brown, Fitzmyer, Collins, etc.) I own the Collegeville Reference Library, which is very useful and a wonderful value. Some of the other collections, like the Catholic Spirituality Collection and the upcoming Catholic Theology and Dogma Collection have a lot of outdated resources or else outdated translations of classic works for which I already own better translations in print. So I'm not terribly interested in those. I'd buy Denzinger if it was available separately, but alas it is not.

That is why I wanted the old catholic collection. Brown, Raymond Edward, Joseph A. Fitzmyer, and Roland Edmund Murphy. The Jerome Biblical Commentary. Englewood Cliffs, N.J.: Prentice-Hall, 1996. It is a good critical commentary, not changed all that much in the new edition. Yes it does have dogmatic overtones but then most books do, and I appreciate differing viewpoints. Although much of current catholic scholarship seems much more dogmatic and conservative today.. but then I would say the same things about some Evangelical works celebrated by others.

-Dan

john joyce

It would be useful if they would make the Catechism and the Documents of Vatican II available, and perhaps this is a more realistic expectation. Oh, and the New Jerome Biblical Commentary would be nice.

I'd also like to see the papal encyclicals.

As a Catholic I certainly would like to see these.

As others have stated the base packages are woeful and there is hardly ever anything of interest in sales. I have added pretty much everything I can on the "Catholic" page". This about sums up the problem you would pretty much get the impression Logos sometimes thinks Catholic = pre reformation!

I find the Anchor series a fairly safe bet. Look forward to the release of the Reference part.

I am not allowed the Jersalem bible because I live in the UK! There is no new Jerusalem Bible. No Navarre, only aware of one Scott Hahn book etc etc

John

tom

Liberation theology

[Y]

We need more resources from liberation theologians

Friedrich

Orbis press would be interesting [.. . . . . .] they also publish a number of the standard texts of Missiology (Bosch

Love Bosch. We have recommended him in times past, here, too.

fgh

I think I'll try to find some time some day to send an e-mail to Ignatius Press. Maybe if a few of us did that it might speed things up a bit.

you would pretty much get the impression Logos sometimes thinks Catholic = pre reformation!

Yes, they do have some funny ideas, don't they? I just found this gem: "Joseph Pohle articulates one of the clearest and most succinct systems of Roman Catholic theology in recent years". "Recent years" being 1911-1920... [:O]

HJ. van der Wal

standard texts of Missiology (Bosch, Walls, etc.)

Good news: David Bosch' Transforming Mission is already available in Logos.

Bad news: It's only available in Spanish (http://www.logos.com/product/3284/biblioteca-digital-de-la-mision).

P.S. This book was our textbook for missiology (in the Dutch Reformed Church!) but I had completely forgotten that Bosch is roman catholic.

Jim Huss

Hi Dominick

My disk 1 of Logos Catholic Collection has been damaged and I'm in search of a replacement disk 1 or copy of same. If you can help me, I would appreciate it.

The same goes for anyone else who may read this.

Jim

Rosie Perera

Hi Dominick

My disk 1 of Logos Catholic Collection has been damaged and I'm in search of a replacement disk 1 or copy of same. If you can help me, I would appreciate it.

The same goes for anyone else who may read this.

Jim

Hi Jim, this is something that only Logos can help you with. Dominick and all the rest of us here on this thread are just users like you. Call the main Logos number (800-875-6467) and ask for Customer Service, or email them at customerservice@logos.com, and they should be able to send you a replacement disk, or unlock the resources they know you have a license to so that they'll automatically download into your Logos 4 installation.

If you have questions on how to use the software, those are what these forums are for, but you'll have better luck if you start a new thread rather than tacking your question on at the end of a long older thread.

Fr. Nicklaus Winker

While this is an old thread, I though I would reply. I am a Catholic priest and I use Logos almost every week to prepare my homily. I use the ACCS, the Catena Aurea, UBS translator helps, and the IVP Bible Background commentaries the most. I almost never use the Collegeville Commentary, I find that in they try too hard to be critical without being scholarly at the expense of the pastoral application. When/if the Catholic Commentary on Scripture comes out for Logos, I'll probably buy it but will probably only consult it sparingly as my experience with the volume I have in print is that it is not very helpful for preaching. I also feel no need to buy the extra dictionaries that come with the higher versions of the Collegeville packages.

The recent Catholic resources are valuable, not necessarily all things you can't find elsewhere, but worth having in one place. The Catholic Theology and Doctrine Collection might not have resources that take a contemporary approach, but the teaching is still the same in most places. Particularly useful is the Sources of Catholic Dogma, which is unfortunately the most recent English translation of a work that continues to be a standard reference text, basically it is the highlights of the offical teaching documents from the Apostles Creed on. The handbooks in dogmatic theology in the collection are not the way most contemporary authors would present the material, yet should be given great credit for their clarity. I bought the Lives of the Saints, and while I have not read it as often as I planned it is a great devotional. I have not bought the Spirituality collection, because each is worth reading, are almost all cheap to acquire in a format that is easier on the eyes dead tree or otherwise. Yes the Catholic Encyclopedia is notably online else where it is worth the community pricing for the possibility of having page numbers and Logos integration. The same goes with the Summa. If I ever have to do academic writing again they will pay for themselves in no time just in avoided trips to the library to find a page number to cite.

Dan Francis

While this is an old thread, I though I would reply. I am a Catholic priest and I use Logos almost every week to prepare my homily.

Hello one thing you might want to add to your pre pub is the http://www.logos.com/product/8803/new-interpreters-bible it has numerous RC scholars contributing to it, covers the complete RC canon.

-Dan

fgh

Since this old thread came alive again, I thought it might be a good idea to add links to a couple of Catholic resources that have been added lately:

Plus I'm hoping for a little more support for the Liturgies Eastern and Western Collection (2 vols.), so that it can get into production.

Eulogio

Jeremy: I am Eulogio. Yes, I am Catholic and with an MA in Religious Ed. & another one in Theology. I made a letter commentary to Mr. Navarrete wuth the intention of seeing more material related to the Catholic Tradition. Now, I know not being the only one. Praise God.

Its my belief that this is a wonderful instrument of learning. I also plea to my non-Catholic brethren not to engage in debates. I did give Mr. Navarrete an example of cooperation between christian organizations of various denominations; the American Bible Society has been working with the Catholic Churh in this regard. I am witness to significance purchases among such organizations in New York, Nebraska, California, Puerto Rico, and others. In 2006, the American Bible Society was one the main groups to sponsor the 1st US Encounter of Hispanic Catholic Adults and Young Adults, celebrated in the University of Notre Dame, Indiana. I can say that the ABS booth was always full with people purchasing English, Spanish and Bilingual material. I was very surprise. Specially, Bibles were sold by far the most. ABS sponsored Cardinal Rodriguez, Archbishop of Managua, Nicaragua. He gave an inspiring speech that had everyone in the place on holy fire. Then, he stood for 2 whole hours signing Bibles. All the Bible, due to the Apocrypha, and no other errors, had the Imprimatur; therefore Catholics were purchasing material with no fear. Therefore, I do hope our voice is heard.

We want to study the Bible, like any other God fearing believer. But, by causes that are not under our control, we happen to have a different version.

Lets hope for the best.

Michael Gaskin

Just purchased the language pack only because the other material I will not use. I would love a good Protestant commentary along with my primary RC resources. Never hurts to get all sides of the coin, but the lack of Catholic material make purchasing the other packages not finanaclly sound.

- Michael

Andrew Jones

Michael,

Logos is in the process of putting together some Catholic oriented
packages to give Catholics or those of the other non-Protestant traditions a
more attractive and useful starting point. We are also working on providing
more Catholic resources. Look for them soon!