Catholic Users

Hi Jeremy and glad to see you posting! There sure are some Catholics that use the forums and I'm guessing that they will let themselves be known here shortly. There are also some protestants (from my understanding) on the forums that use some of the Catholic resources as well.

Welcome!

I am one of the Protestant users of Catholic resources in Logos. Just a note to say welcome and I concur that I wish Logos would add more Catholic titles. Specifically, some sort of deal with Ignatius press would be great (which publishes books by Benedict, von Balthasar, de Lubac, Congar, Rahner, Dulles, etc.) 

As I understand it, the forums are not suppose to be the place for vigorous theological discussion (though most of us slip up on that from time to time [:D]). So you shouldn't have to worry about protestants debating you, just remind them of the forum rules.

Jonathan Burke said:

James Matichuk said:

I am one of the Protestant users of Catholic resources in Logos.

I'm another, and I find them quite useful.

I'm another. My spiritual life has been enriched by writings by Catholic authors.

Dan

Over the last few weeks I've observed a number of CD-only product pages, including this one, disappear. Some of them have later reappeared as downloads. I suspect and hope this is only a temporary glitch while they update,

fgh said:

Dan

Over the last few weeks I've observed a number of CD-only product pages, including this one, disappear. Some of them have later reappeared as downloads. I suspect and hope this is only a temporary glitch while they update,

Yes now that i think about it Tyndale disappeared for a couple weeks....

-Dan

PS:Shouldn't be such a worry wort, but occasionally things go off license, like the old Catholic Collection, took me years to track one down, and then even harder to find the libronix file for Jerome Bible Commentary.

Jeremy said:

I was just wondering if there are any other Catholic users of Logos in these forums. What do you think of the Catholic resources?

While not formally Catholic, I'm theologically fairly conservative Catholic, so I'll jump in. 

Like you, I find the language resources excellent, but the rest is fairly thin. I'm working on a long list of suggestions, some of which will turn up in the Suggestions forum when I find the time, so you might want to keep an eye open and add a thumbs up to the ones you like.

My main objection, though, is the price issue. If we leave the Original Languages base package out of the picture -- that one is excellent value for everyone with some knowledge of those languages -- the rest of the base packages are financially extremely unfair to Catholics (and even more so to Orthodox and Jews). While an Evangelical pastor can probably use 50-90% of the content, and therefore receives an enormous discount, someone like me will probably never use more than 10% or so, and therefore ends up paying only slightly less than buying what I really want separately. (In fact, at full price I probably never would have upgraded like I did; it probably wouldn't have been worth it.) And on top of that, I then have to pay an awful lot extra to get the equivalent Catholic resources to those that Evangelicals have already gotten in the base package (if they exist at all, that is). At the end of the day, for a similarly useful library, Logos will cost me many many times more than it would for an Evangelical. Needless to say, I'm not too happy about that price policy...

Though I guess the one advantage with few Catholic titles is that I get the chance to buy them on prepub. [:)] Or, even better, on CP. [:D] And I'm very grateful for the fast production of the Catholic Theology and Dogma collection, once it made it out of 'gathering interest'. That's probably the shortest production time I've seen in my months here!

Dan Francis said:

Not quite RC here, but as a High Anglican as close as you are going to get in the protestant world...

As a High Church Lutheran from the historically most Catholic Lutheran church in the world, I would definitely like to question that assertion -- but since we're not supposed to debate theology I'd better [:#]. [;)]

Dan Francis said:

I am lucky to have found a copy of the old Logos catholic Library so have the Jerome Biblical Commentary

If you (or anyone else) should happen to find another copy, I'm probably interested (don't know exactly what was in it, or what kind of price we're talking about).

fgh said:

If you (or anyone else) should happen to find another copy, I'm probably interested (don't know exactly what was in it, or what kind of price we're talking about).

It was originally a CDROM I think on Logos 2, $139. It had New American Bible, New Jerusalem Bible, Latin Vulgate, Jerome Biblical Commentary, and The Confessions of St. Augustine plus of course Logos. Nice little starter kit for the time, all of that is in Logos now except the Jerome is old and not the current version.

I got my copy after the fact because I expressed my interest on the old newsgroup, and someone sold it to me - rather cheaply, I think for $50. Maybe someone will see your interest and do the same!

I'm a Catholic user. As far my own use of Logos goes, I tend to be more interested in critical scholarship, where the denominational affiliation of authors isn't really a matter of great concern.

As far as specifically Catholic titles goes (not including critical works by scholars like Brown, Fitzmyer, Collins, etc.) I own the Collegeville Reference Library, which is very useful and a wonderful value. Some of the other collections, like the Catholic Spirituality Collection and the upcoming Catholic Theology and Dogma Collection have a lot of outdated resources or else outdated translations of classic works for which I already own better translations in print. So I'm not terribly interested in those. I'd buy Denzinger if it was available separately, but alas it is not.

I'd love to see collections of works of more recent Catholic theologians, but as the ones I'm interested are not only Catholic but also quite progressive (at least by Evangelical Protestant standards -- I'm thinking of people like Karl Rahner, for example), and would not likely appeal to the large majority of Logos users, I'm not holding my breath.

It would be useful if they would make the Catechism and the Documents of Vatican II available, and perhaps this is a more realistic expectation. Oh, and the New Jerome Biblical Commentary would be nice.

If not Ignatius press, Orbis press would be interesting. Granted a number of Logos users would be scandalized by the Liberation theology that Orbis publishes, but they also publish a number of the standard texts of Missiology (Bosch, Walls, etc.).  There are a number of Catholic publishers which I think Logos should talk with, but perhaps if they just expanded their relationship with Liturgical Press.

Rosie Perera said:

T MacLeod said:

It would be useful if they would make the Catechism and the Documents of Vatican II available, and perhaps this is a more realistic expectation. Oh, and the New Jerome Biblical Commentary would be nice.

 

I'd also like to see the papal encyclicals.

 As a Catholic I certainly would like to see these.

As others have stated the base packages are woeful and there is hardly ever anything of interest in sales. I have added pretty much everything I can on the "Catholic" page". This about sums up the problem you would pretty much get the impression Logos sometimes thinks Catholic  = pre reformation!

I find the Anchor series a fairly safe bet. Look forward to the release of the Reference part.

I am not allowed the Jersalem bible because I live in the UK! There is no new Jerusalem Bible. No Navarre, only aware of one Scott Hahn book etc etc

John

I think I'll try to find some time some day to send an e-mail to Ignatius Press. Maybe if a few of us did that it might speed things up a bit. 

john joyce said:

you would pretty much get the impression Logos sometimes thinks Catholic  = pre reformation!

Yes, they do have some funny ideas, don't they? I just found this gem: "Joseph Pohle articulates one of the clearest and most succinct systems of Roman Catholic theology in recent years". "Recent years" being 1911-1920... [:O]

Dan DeVilder said:

Yes, that would probably happen when the description writer is working off of the book's preface/introduction/jacket flap, and really has little connection to the author or the history of that church.

When I look at a 1911 book I don't usually need to know the author, or even look at the publishing date, to know that it isn't 'recent'. That tends to be pretty obvious... [;)]

Makes me wish there was 'Report Correction' button on each web page!

James Matichuk said:

standard texts of Missiology (Bosch, Walls, etc.)

Good news: David Bosch' Transforming Mission is already available in Logos.

Bad news: It's only available in Spanish (http://www.logos.com/product/3284/biblioteca-digital-de-la-mision).

P.S. This book was our textbook for missiology (in the Dutch Reformed Church!) but I had completely forgotten that Bosch is roman catholic.

Dan DeVilder said:

DUDE!!!! You should work for CSI: New York or something. You have amazing analytical skills!!

I might be wrong, but I believe fgh should be refereed to as DUDETTE

Dan DeVilder said:

Really?!  "fgh" can you weigh in on this?

http://community.logos.com/forums/p/26490/198000.aspx#198000

Hi, Jeremy.

I'm catholic and roman (in a strict sense: I was born and live in Rome!). Besides the resources you have pointed at, I personally think that a commentary like the "New Jerome Biblical Commentary" should not be ignored by Logos! Recently, I have also preordered the Vatican II documents and the Catholic Encyclopedia.

I also hope that more catholic and protestant users would share their opinions on the catholic resources, so that Logos will consider including them in the future!

Thank you for your reply.

I understand that Logos might have some difficulties with the publisher, of course. However, the Jerome Biblical Commentary is just one of the many catholic resources I would like to have. In general, and this appears comprehensible to me, as Logos is not catholic, catholic resources are quite dated. Yes, I already tried to write e-mail to suggest@logos.com and I will try it again.

Any way, I think that LBS 4 is a great tool to explore and understand the Scripture! And these comments we can post in this forum are also a nice way to communicate and exchange impressions on it!

Have a nice day!

Marco.

Hi Dominick

My disk 1 of Logos Catholic Collection has been damaged and I'm in search of a replacement disk 1 or copy of same.  If you can help me, I would appreciate it.

The same goes for anyone else who may read this.

Jim

Thank you Rosie but Logos no longers supports the old software and they do not have a replacement disk.  That is why I hope someone reading this may still have their old 3.5 floppy disk for the Catholic Collection or know someone who does and would be willing to sell it to me, make me a copy or in some way be able to help me.

Jim

While this is an old thread, I though I would reply. I am a Catholic priest and I use Logos almost every week to prepare my homily. I use the ACCS, the Catena Aurea, UBS translator helps, and the IVP Bible Background commentaries the most. I almost never use the Collegeville Commentary, I find that in they try too hard to be critical without being scholarly at the expense of the pastoral application. When/if the Catholic Commentary on Scripture comes out for Logos, I'll probably buy it but will probably only consult it sparingly as my experience with the volume I have in print is that it is not very helpful for preaching. I also feel no need to buy the extra dictionaries that come with the higher versions of the Collegeville packages.

The recent Catholic resources are valuable, not necessarily all things you can't find elsewhere, but worth having in one place. The Catholic Theology and Doctrine Collection might not have resources that take a contemporary approach, but the teaching is still the same in most places. Particularly useful is the Sources of Catholic Dogma, which is unfortunately the most recent English translation of a work that continues to be a standard reference text, basically it is the highlights of the offical teaching documents from the Apostles Creed on. The handbooks in dogmatic theology in the collection are not the way most contemporary authors would present the material, yet should be given great credit for their clarity. I bought the Lives of the Saints, and while I have not read it as often as I planned it is a great devotional. I have not bought the Spirituality collection, because each is worth reading, are almost all cheap to acquire in a format that is easier on the eyes dead tree or otherwise. Yes the Catholic Encyclopedia is notably online else where it is worth the community pricing for the possibility of having page numbers and Logos integration. The same goes with the Summa. If I ever have to do academic writing again they will pay for themselves  in no time just in avoided trips to the library to find a page number to cite.

Since this old thread came alive again, I thought it might be a good idea to add links to a couple of Catholic resources that have been added lately:

• New American Bible, rev. ed. (NABRE)
• The Major Works of Justin Martyr in Greek (3 vols.)
• The Desiderius Erasmus Collection (19 vols.)

Plus I'm hoping for a little more support for the Liturgies Eastern and Western Collection (2 vols.), so that it can get into production.