Catholic Users

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Hi Jeremy and glad to see you posting! There sure are some Catholics that use the forums and I'm guessing that they will let themselves be known here shortly. There are also some protestants (from my understanding) on the forums that use some of the Catholic resources as well.

I was just wondering if there are any other Catholic users of Logos in these forums. What do you think of the Catholic resources?

Some of the theological resources are dated, but nevertheless useful if you studied theology (like myself). They have some good offerings. I hope they will increase their Catholic titles. The scripture study resources for work in the original languages are excellent.

For my protestant brethren, please don't engage me in theological and biblical debates. I am just interested in an answer to my question. 

Pax! 

Not quite RC here, but as a High Anglican as close as you are going to get in the protestant world... I am lucky to have found a copy of the old Logos catholic Library so have the Jerome Biblical Commentary, currently the best catholic set available is the Liturgical Press'  Collegeville Library 3 is so wonderful (i even gave this to my sister in law for a Bridal shower gift, she is the youth minister in her Catholic church). She loves it. I really wish Logos had more Catholic resources because even though I am not RC I appreciate their scholarship for the most part. The Anchor Bible, although ecumenical has a large percentage of RC scholars contributing. The newly complete Ancient Christian Commentary is a great resource for patristic quotes relating to  the Biblical text (although the volume on the deutracanon is incomplete, since Judith, Macabees, and the additions to Esther are not covered other than being dealt with in the front matter).

Going on ecumenical resources again, if Logos is able to get the New Interpreter's Bible it covers the complete Roman Catholic Cannon, I love mine and use it every day, but it's software leaves much to be desired.

One would think Logos would like to focus a bit more on RC resources since they are by far the largest group in the Christian world. 

-Dan

PS: Sorry if you were only wanting to hear from RC.

I was just wondering if there are any other Catholic users of Logos in these forums. What do you think of the Catholic resources?

While not formally Catholic, I'm theologically fairly conservative Catholic, so I'll jump in. 

Like you, I find the language resources excellent, but the rest is fairly thin. I'm working on a long list of suggestions, some of which will turn up in the Suggestions forum when I find the time, so you might want to keep an eye open and add a thumbs up to the ones you like.

My main objection, though, is the price issue. If we leave the Original Languages base package out of the picture -- that one is excellent value for everyone with some knowledge of those languages -- the rest of the base packages are financially extremely unfair to Catholics (and even more so to Orthodox and Jews). While an Evangelical pastor can probably use 50-90% of the content, and therefore receives an enormous discount, someone like me will probably never use more than 10% or so, and therefore ends up paying only slightly less than buying what I really want separately. (In fact, at full price I probably never would have upgraded like I did; it probably wouldn't have been worth it.) And on top of that, I then have to pay an awful lot extra to get the equivalent Catholic resources to those that Evangelicals have already gotten in the base package (if they exist at all, that is). At the end of the day, for a similarly useful library, Logos will cost me many many times more than it would for an Evangelical. Needless to say, I'm not too happy about that price policy...

Though I guess the one advantage with few Catholic titles is that I get the chance to buy them on prepub. [:)] Or, even better, on CP. [:D] And I'm very grateful for the fast production of the Catholic Theology and Dogma collection, once it made it out of 'gathering interest'. That's probably the shortest production time I've seen in my months here!

Not quite RC here, but as a High Anglican as close as you are going to get in the protestant world...

As a High Church Lutheran from the historically most Catholic Lutheran church in the world, I would definitely like to question that assertion -- but since we're not supposed to debate theology I'd better [:#]. [;)]

I am lucky to have found a copy of the old Logos catholic Library so have the Jerome Biblical Commentary

If you (or anyone else) should happen to find another copy, I'm probably interested (don't know exactly what was in it, or what kind of price we're talking about).

I'm a Catholic user. As far my own use of Logos goes, I tend to be more interested in critical scholarship, where the denominational affiliation of authors isn't really a matter of great concern.

As far as specifically Catholic titles goes (not including critical works by scholars like Brown, Fitzmyer, Collins, etc.) I own the Collegeville Reference Library, which is very useful and a wonderful value. Some of the other collections, like the Catholic Spirituality Collection and the upcoming Catholic Theology and Dogma Collection have a lot of outdated resources or else outdated translations of classic works for which I already own better translations in print. So I'm not terribly interested in those. I'd buy Denzinger if it was available separately, but alas it is not.

I'd love to see collections of works of more recent Catholic theologians, but as the ones I'm interested are not only Catholic but also quite progressive (at least by Evangelical Protestant standards -- I'm thinking of people like Karl Rahner, for example), and would not likely appeal to the large majority of Logos users, I'm not holding my breath.

It would be useful if they would make the Catechism and the Documents of Vatican II available, and perhaps this is a more realistic expectation. Oh, and the New Jerome Biblical Commentary would be nice.

While this is an old thread, I though I would reply. I am a Catholic priest and I use Logos almost every week to prepare my homily. I use the ACCS, the Catena Aurea, UBS translator helps, and the IVP Bible Background commentaries the most. I almost never use the Collegeville Commentary, I find that in they try too hard to be critical without being scholarly at the expense of the pastoral application. When/if the Catholic Commentary on Scripture comes out for Logos, I'll probably buy it but will probably only consult it sparingly as my experience with the volume I have in print is that it is not very helpful for preaching. I also feel no need to buy the extra dictionaries that come with the higher versions of the Collegeville packages.

The recent Catholic resources are valuable, not necessarily all things you can't find elsewhere, but worth having in one place. The Catholic Theology and Doctrine Collection might not have resources that take a contemporary approach, but the teaching is still the same in most places. Particularly useful is the Sources of Catholic Dogma, which is unfortunately the most recent English translation of a work that continues to be a standard reference text, basically it is the highlights of the offical teaching documents from the Apostles Creed on. The handbooks in dogmatic theology in the collection are not the way most contemporary authors would present the material, yet should be given great credit for their clarity. I bought the Lives of the Saints, and while I have not read it as often as I planned it is a great devotional. I have not bought the Spirituality collection, because each is worth reading, are almost all cheap to acquire in a format that is easier on the eyes dead tree or otherwise. Yes the Catholic Encyclopedia is notably online else where it is worth the community pricing for the possibility of having page numbers and Logos integration. The same goes with the Summa. If I ever have to do academic writing again they will pay for themselves  in no time just in avoided trips to the library to find a page number to cite.

Jeremy: I am Eulogio. Yes, I am Catholic and with an MA in Religious Ed. & another one in Theology. I made a letter commentary to Mr. Navarrete wuth the intention of seeing more material related to the Catholic Tradition. Now, I know not being the only one. Praise God. 

Its my belief that this is a wonderful instrument of learning. I also plea to my non-Catholic brethren not to engage in debates. I did give Mr. Navarrete an example of cooperation between christian organizations of various denominations; the American Bible Society has been working with the Catholic Churh in this regard. I am witness to significance  purchases among such organizations in New York, Nebraska, California, Puerto Rico, and others. In 2006, the American Bible Society was one the main groups to sponsor the 1st US Encounter of Hispanic Catholic Adults and Young Adults, celebrated in the University of Notre Dame, Indiana. I can say that the ABS booth was always full with people purchasing English, Spanish and Bilingual material. I was very surprise. Specially, Bibles were sold by far the most. ABS sponsored Cardinal Rodriguez, Archbishop of Managua, Nicaragua. He gave an inspiring speech that had everyone in the place on holy fire. Then, he stood for 2 whole hours signing Bibles. All the Bible, due to the Apocrypha, and no other errors, had the Imprimatur; therefore Catholics were purchasing material with no fear. Therefore, I do hope our voice is heard. 

We want to study the Bible, like any other God fearing believer. But, by causes that are not under our control, we happen to have a different version.

Lets hope for the best.