My Mac cant handle it

I've had the same frustration, and I'm running a 2008 MBPro with 2.4ghz duo-core, wi 4 gig of ram... I also have a Parallels6 application and tried running the Win version under WinXP...

Finally I got so frustrated with always waiting and waiting for tabs to open, scrolling, searches, and other stuff that I'd decided to go back to Libronix v 3.0e and run BibleWorks 6 or 8 to do my exegetical work. I just could not use this new Logos 4 in a "live" Bible study setting where I needed to move about quickly to respond to my class.

But tonight I did something different. I went over to my search results panel and clicked off the settings for almost all the web based features, sermoncentral, logossermon, powerpointsermon, interesting words, interesting people, etc. etc, etc. I cut it back to just the commentaries and the bibles, and it's moving along fairly briskly. I still don't know how to isolate my library collections for search purposes in Logos4 as efficiently as I did in Libronix3xx, but its worth giving it another chance. I can't wean off BW6 and Libronix3 yet... There are some powerful features here, but they just overtax the system, unless you are willing to calmly count to 10 with every single click of the mouse waiting.... waiting...... and still waiting.

And having said that I'm frustrated and have tabled new purchases to my library until it picks up a little speed. I've got over $2,000.00 worth of resources that I've been building since about 2002-3 to my recollection, and I'm ready to go backwards to L3 and BW6 if need be till this thing gets worked out. 

..and i'm sure it wil, as the updates seem to come out almost weekly.

Don't know if you are still following this post, but respond if you are... I got your note and tried to edit my passage guide. Opened it dutifully as directed, and clicked the "X" in the right hand corner.... Lo and behold, nothing happens. Close out editing passage guide and open it and try again. It's as if they are "dummy buttons" with no function.. They do change color indicating I'm hitting the right spot, but they don't delete the selection. Perhaps I'm the "dummy" here. Is there something I'm missing?

John,

I have an almost the same (2.2 Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo / 4 Gb SDRAM) configuration on my MPB 2008 and L4 for Mac is running nicely. I have L4 running under VMware Fusion in WinXP and in Snow Leopard L4 for Mac. At the moment I hardly use L4 in the windows environment anymore because L4 for Mac is running without any problems. It is not lightning fast but is definitely not slow. I can use it fairly well. I am very satisfied and happy with all the possibilities I have to study the Bible. No spinning balls and no minutes of waiting. L4 for Mac has grown mature.

And mind you: we have bought resources and got the program with all the advanced tools for free !

So, also reading other posts about performance and speed it is my humble opinion that although L4 can use some speed optimizing the problem is not L4 but has more to do with configurations, installations, preferences, expectations, experience, patience, and so on. 

BTW, I also have Accordance; BibleWorks, OnlineBible, StudieBijbel (dutch) and I am using it in combination with Logos 4 which suits me best. And I think the vast majority of Logos users are satisfied as well, what you see on forums like these are the problems and questions. 

Just got logos 4 mac scholars silver. I have a black macbook that I got in 2007 (2 Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo, 2 gigs ram memory, mac snow leopard, and an upgraded 500gb @7200rpm seagate hard drive). I just installed the program a few days ago- I can look up books ,etc though a little sluggish- but the homepage just remains blank. When I first installed the program the homepage seemed to work but it hasn't since first opening it a few days ago. Any tips? Thanks!

I just cannot edit my passage guide. I've tried closing the features I don't want from the active passage guide, and I've tried using the upper left side drop-down menu to edit it. It will not edit in mac version Logos Bible Software 4.0b SR-1 (4.10.4.8093).

At least not from the visible passage guide and not from the drop down, and everytime I open a tab that was opened to a previous search it hijacks my search, and my currently linked resources to that old search and I have to wait till the spinning balls quit spinnning so that the application is responsive again, and then reinitiate my search and wait for it. Then the full passage guide, with all the fru-frah, (sermoncentral, media, bible things) all the stuff that I don't want opens again, and forces me to wait.

Guys, this is not easy-peasy intuitive software. This is kluge.... Software should not require a secret handshake to make it work.

Is there a way for non-Logos beta testers, to download that 4.2a beta version?

Luuk Dondorp said:

So, also reading other posts about performance and speed it is my humble opinion that although L4 can use some speed optimizing the problem is not L4 but has more to do with configurations, installations, preferences, expectations, experience, patience, and so on. 

Do you really believe that?

With all due respect, it's none of the things you list. The performance issues are an L4 Mac problem "bottom line." My MAC screams with every other app I own... lot's of CPU, ton's of RAM (16G), fast HD and I have spent literally hours tweaking it to get every drop of performance out of the system. I even went as far as re-installing the software & rebuilding indexes. Bottom line... though loaded with wonderful features, L4 Mac is not ready for primetime and I am a very dissatisfied customer. Search is not so bad, but the UI screen paints & scrolling are choppy and quite honestly very frustrating and unacceptable. In all honesty, I dread using it. And the sad part is this. Based on my purchasing power, I have a small fortune invested in this software and quite honestly will not spend another dime on Logos products ever unless I have a total change of heart. I just want Logos to deliver on what they already sold me.

No folks, I'm sorry, I think that  I spoke too soon. I closed out my search, initiated another search and I'm back into the long wait with the light gray gray screen waiting to "draw in" the search results. Finally in a couple minutes my search begins to appear.... And all my unwanted resource hogging stuff is back in my search window.

Nope, rejoining the struggling masses.

Stay tune

(Monday night 10:30 Pacific standard time.)

Ray D said:

Luuk Dondorp said:

So, also reading other posts about performance and speed it is my humble opinion that although L4 can use some speed optimizing the problem is not L4 but has more to do with configurations, installations, preferences, expectations, experience, patience, and so on. 

Do you really believe that?

Yes, I do.  From what I can figure out of these forums that quite a lot of mac users are satisfied with L4 for Mac and its performance. Are all these folks (including me) just some silly ignoring people not knowing how to handle a mac..or what a program performance should be... ?

I know that this is not what you mean and I can understand your frustration after spending hours of tweaking. But it is still your personal experience which is not mine. I am satisfied with the overall performance. I do not have any scrolling problems. So...you simply cannot make a general statement that L4 for Mac is not working or unacceptable or...

And again: you invested in resources not in the software. The L4 App is for free. You are able to read and study your resources. But..perhaps not in a way you want or expected. 

... and oh yes, I will try what you've suggested about setting up custom permanent new passage guides, because if I could select that passage guide before my search, I wouldn't care what the default passage guide looked like.

I'll try that today.

jf

Ok, Launching Win version under Parallels....

Nearly 2 minutes till I have the Logos splash screen

another 4 minutes till I reach the page of resources

Total of 8 minutes and basic screen is up, and I've got a notice recommending that restart Logos4 because there are new resources. I click and do what I'm directed to do.

I look up and discover a tab called "Passage guides." There are about 10 of them. None of them have anything in them, and worse, when I select them the option to "delete guide" is grayed out... unavailable. And of course, whenever I try to do anything it takes so long. I've spent nearly an hour tonight playing with this software tonight and I haven't done any study, nor resolved any problems with settings or "passage guides." 

Sorry Guys, I can't recommend this software to any of my friends. I'll sit on the sidelines and listen for awhile, but I'm like the other guy..... I've cancelled all my pre-orders, and deleted my credit card from my online account.  I'll certainly be back...when it's fixed, and I trust Logos enough that it will happen.  But for now this software is just too problematic, it's a premature release. I run a lot of software and this make the grade.

Sorry

You're quite right, John, there are several bugs in stable! I've  just tried this out. I'll start with a section to Logos listing all that I've found and then I'll write a section to you, trying to explain to you how to work around. 

1) Editing my default guide doesn't work. The x's are dummies, just like John says.

2) Trying to close a populated guide has given me a series of spinning beach balls of death. I'm stilll working on finding the logic behind when it does and when it doesn't.

3) Creating a new guide template sort of works. The x's work fine, but when I name it My Passage Guide and close it down, it doesn't overwrite my existing My Passage Guide, like I would expect it to. Instead it turns up in the list as Untitled Guide. (Interestingly, the title on the tab when opened, however, is My Passage Guide.)

4) When my current default guide is open, the option to delete it from the upper left corner is grayed out. I can only delete under Tools > Custom Guides.

5) If I delete all custom guides and create a new My Passage Guide, it still shows up as Untitled Guide.

6) When I collapsed all but one section in this new template, closed it, reopened it, and ran a verse, it populated with three expanded sections. Only after closing those two a second time and redoing the procedure did it open correctly with only one section open.

7) This new custom guide does become default from the Home Page, but not when I choose Guides > Passage Guide. Surely I'm supposed to get my own default then as well, not your default one with all the sections that takes forever and drives John (and me...) crazy?

8) After running one single verse from the Home Page, Close all Tabs resulted in another spinning beach ball of death.

9) The very first attempt at creating a new template as in 3) resulted in two (!) new items in the list. If I remember correctly one was called Untitled Guide and the other Copy of Passage Guide. Deleting one of them deleted both.

OK, John, here we go (and this is on a 'clean' Mac, no Parallels):

a) Keep calm! You've been so frustrated that you have been looking in other places than where people have been telling you to look. That is understandable, but it makes it rather frustrating for those trying to help you as well. Read carefully before you act, and take it one step at a time.

b) Close down all your open tabs.

c) Go to the menu bar, choose Guides, and look under Custom Bible Study Guides. If you have any guides listed there, right-click on each one of them and delete them (at least if they're called My Passage Guide or Untitled Guide (if you've got others, specifically made, you should of course keep those, but as I understand it, that is not the case)).

d) Then choose Guides > New Guide Template. (In the menu bar, not in an open Passage Guide, which is where you've been looking!)

e) Name it "My Passage Guide" (exactly that, but without the quotes).

f) Either click on All Sections from Passage Guide and delete the sections you don't want (yes, those x's work like they should (at least on my computer)), or click on the individual sections that you do want, in the order that you want them. (You can drag to rearrange if you want.)

g) When you're done, close the tab.

h) Now go back to Guides in the menu bar, and look under Custom Bible Study Guides again (which is why I wanted it 'clean' to start with). Hopefully, you now only have one item there, which will be called either My Passage Guide or Untitled Guide. Click on that to open it.

i) Enter a verse you've never run a Passage Guide on before and hit enter. If everything has gone right it should now open with only the sections you've chosen.

j) It will, however, open with all those sections expanded. If you want it to save time by opening with one or more sections collapsed, this is how you do:

k) Let it run till it's finished, then collapse the sections you want collapsed, and close the tab. The next time it should open like you left it.

l) Because you've named it My Passage Guide, this will now be the default Passage Guide when you use the Go box from the Home Page. I believe it is also meant to be the default Passage Guide when you choose Guides > Passage Guide, but this does not seem to work for the moment, so for now, if you don't want to work from the Home Page, you'll have to either choose your new custom guide manually under Guides, or you can incorporate it into a layout. 

m) One problem you will still have is that Logos obviously saves all Passage Guides you've ever run, so whenever you enter a passage you have run before, you will get the old guide you got then (with all the sections you don't want), rather than the guide you've got open. But let's deal with that later. Just make sure to enter passages you haven't used before, for now.

Was that clear, and did it work? If not, tell me exactly where you got stuck, what you did and what happened instead.

(EDIT: typo)

This looks promising! 

I'm in the middle of my other work day,  (tentmaking as Paul would say) , [:D], so I'll have to wait till later in the day to implement. But I'm glad to see someone else is finding this, and is working on a cure!

thanks