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Kelly Todd said:
Would it be possible to make in the PC/Mac interface a place for us to list only the books that we would like to have on our iphone?
I like this idea! I don't know how easy it would be to implement, but it would be very helpful.
"It seems our problems solve themselves when we look beyond us to those truly in hell." - Beyond Our Suffering - AILD
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Bob Pritchett said:Robert Mullen said:
Seriously. The other bible readers out there are doing these things right now and they do them with small teams. I don't mean to be ungracious but I have come to expect a lot from Logos.
Ouch! :-)
The other Bible readers have larger teams, actually -- since their whole team is dedicated to mobile, and we have to share our (larger overall) team with Windows, Mac, web, etc. (And did I mention ours is free? :-) )
Actually the others don't have larger teams. If I am right Logos for iOS is being programed by 2 people at the time. Of the other major apps, only one that I know of has more than 2 iOS programmers working on a Bible app. Obviously I may have missed some, but I've had contact with the developers of what I call the big four apps. There is one that I do not put in that category as it is mostly just a Bible reader app, but it is the only other one that has a team that I know of.
Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
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I will be thrilled to see an early Christmas present from Logos.
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Bob Pritchett said:
Ouch! :-)
The other Bible readers have larger teams, actually -- since their whole team is dedicated to mobile, and we have to share our (larger overall) team with Windows, Mac, web, etc. (And did I mention ours is free? :-) )
The next release isn't going to have everything you want, because the next release just gets the desktop display engine onto the iPhone for use with offline books. This is a major job, since our desktop display engine is very mature and powerful; but it's also essential to making everything else work. And once it's there, we'll have essentially the same display on all platforms. It's like we're behind...and then one day we'll jump way out in front...
Don't know how I missed this reply. I expected the first new release would not have all the features we want. I also expect and trust that the last sentence is true. I have been amazed at what Logos 4 does and set my expectations accordingly. I wouldn't have it any other way.
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Exegetical Gude would make me happy!
Nathan Parker
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Though if you are successful at getting all of the platforms to support the same basic "engine", future enhancements will require more time/effort in order to maintain the compatability across all platfors. In short, more platforms = fewer enhancements.
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Well, hopefully the next Logos iOS update will include the following:
All your purchased desktop modules downloadable and available on the device.
Side by Side display of text and or resource with sync scrolling.
Notes capability that can be sync'd with your desktop app.
and many more helpful features.
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Dennis Miller said:
Well, hopefully the next Logos iOS update will include the following:
All your purchased desktop modules downloadable and available on the device.
Side by Side display of text and or resource with sync scrolling.
Notes capability that can be sync'd with your desktop app.
and many more helpful features.
Thats my dream Logos too, and I know it is doable, it;s just a matter if Logos wants to put in the time and effort to allow us to sync from our computers. Accordance will have this feature, even with yesterdays release without it, i see included is the ability to have Bible Knowledge Commentary, the NIV and New Jerusalem Bible. All items that Logos has not been able to offer owners of these resources. If we get enough people asking for it maybe desktop app sync can become a reality for Logos iOS but somehow I doubt it, since they have told us time and again it can't be done.
-Dan
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Like you I quit listening to the promises and the excuses and moved on.
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Dan Francis said:
Thats my dream Logos too, and I know it is doable, it;s just a matter if Logos wants to put in the time and effort to allow us to sync from our computers. Accordance will have this feature, even with yesterdays release without it, i see included is the ability to have Bible Knowledge Commentary, the NIV and New Jerusalem Bible. All items that Logos has not been able to offer owners of these resources. If we get enough people asking for it maybe desktop app sync can become a reality for Logos iOS but somehow I doubt it, since they have told us time and again it can't be done.
-Dan
The Accordance ipad app is impressive indeed.
In HIS Eternal Service,
Tom Castle
**If we will do God's work, in God's way, at God's time, with God's power, we shall have God's blessings!!**0 -
I suppose some people will never be happy. Can't we get to the point where we are thankful that we now have unprecedented access to studying God's Word instead of constantly focusing on what we lack? Having been communicating with some of our supported missionaries and seeing the joy that comes to tribal people when they merely have a print New Testament in their own language, I can't believe how ungrateful we have become.
Here's looking to a year that's filled with not only the mass accumulation of resources, but increased devotion to knowing our great Savior! [Y]
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I don't mean to come across harsh. Like many others, I constantly dream of "what could be" in my Bible study library that I neglect appreciating how much I am blessed by so many resources.
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Jonathan Sine said:
I suppose some people will never be happy. Can't we get to the point where we are thankful that we now have unprecedented access to studying God's Word instead of constantly focusing on what we lack? Having been communicating with some of our supported missionaries and seeing the joy that comes to tribal people when they merely have a print New Testament in their own language, I can't believe how ungrateful we have become.
Here's looking to a year that's filled with not only the mass accumulation of resources, but increased devotion to knowing our great Savior!
Make no doubt about it, I am thankful for Logos' iOS app, and I am also grateful that they are still working on it. What may sound like complaining and nit picking is meant to spur on the team. I am trying to point to the others not to say you are failing, but to say look what they have done. We are talking here in this link in particular about our hopes and dreams for 2.0.
-dan
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Dan Francis said:
We are talking here in this link in particular about our hopes and dreams for 2.0.
Dan - I get it.
As Bob P. has indicated elsewhere, others focus primarily on one platform whereas Logos is trying to please lots of people on many platforms. Having both OT and Logos, I was getting tired of repeatedly purchasing resources for two different platforms. I am thrilled that I no longer have to do this. [:)]
God Bless.
Jonathan
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I would like to see to home page of the desktop version available for the iPad.
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Tom C said:
The Accordance ipad app is impressive indeed.
How so. I was not impressed. But maybe I missed something. This might help the Logos developers to know what was so great about it. To me it looked very limited and extremely simplistic. Don't not offer nearly what Logos and the other offer.
Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
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I agree Kevin. I installed it but quickly deleted it.
Andrew Mitchell
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Andrew Mitchell said:
I agree Kevin. I installed it but quickly deleted it.
I'm guessing the excitement for Accordance was just like it was for us and Logos. We were excited to access our books. If that is all you care about, the ability to access books and search them, Accordance is great. But if you like the other features of Logos et. al. then it is very limited.
Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
Brushy Mountain Baptist Association0 -
Kevin A. Purcell said:Tom C said:
The Accordance ipad app is impressive indeed.
How so. I was not impressed. But maybe I missed something. This might help the Logos developers to know what was so great about it. To me it looked very limited and extremely simplistic. Don't not offer nearly what Logos and the other offer.
I would agree with you for the most part. the way it is impressive is the crisp clean ui, it;s very fast and runs properly. MOST of the features promised us are not there yet. If 3 months later they are still missing I will tend to wodner why we were told it would do xyz when it only can do X.
K.I.S.S. is the key i was taught in my High School computers class. Keep It Simple Stupid.....
In other words if a program works fast and fulfils basic needs it will be considered heads and shoulders about a complex program that is slow and poorly interfaced.
I have hopes for Logos, but more hopes for accordance, because comparing 1.0 of both in mind Accordance is a hands down winner in function. That being said I do think Logos iOS has the potential to be a better app in the long run but it all boils down to what they do with it. I was scrolling through Holman Bible Commentary (complete) yesterday and display was fast and navigation was easy opening was immediate. I went to logos tried opening up preachers commentary Hebrews (which is on my phone as an offline resource) and at first it just sat on a blank screen for over a minute, when i did finally get it to open (having to cancel it open something else and try it again). At that point working in the resource was fast enough. but it shouldn't be such a struggle to get to it.
I have many more resources in Logos than I do in accordance but i am very happy for the ones i do have in acc because using them on my phone is a pleasure. Logos iphone always makes me feel like i am pulling teeth to use it. Make no mistake i realize wrestling with an angel can be rewarding but it also leaves you limping.
-dan
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Ok, how about two resources open at the same time (commentary or translation), side by side or top/bottom, scrolling together in sync and instantly bringing up Strongs definitions without having to leave the displayed text you are viewing.
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Dennis Miller said:
Ok, how about two resources open at the same time (commentary or translation), side by side or top/bottom, scrolling together in sync and instantly bringing up Strongs definitions without having to leave the displayed text you are viewing.
I believe these features are to be released, although the strong definitions are already in a pop up window so not sure what your complaint is on that one front. EDIT: I meant general strongs info, i do know the actual entry requires you to go elsewhere, I meant general strongs info.
-Dan
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No complaint just commenting on feature comparisons of which I like the way Logo's displays the Strong's info but I don't like how you have to get additional info from other resources. I am sure I will like and use both programs (desktop and mobile) in the future as each has it strengths and weaknesses like every program. Like I said I've got a lot invested in my Logos library and have used it as my primary bible study tool for many years, my patience just ran out with this latest version and I think a year and a half of it is sufficient for anyone. I needed something now that could deliver and I found it. The only thing Logos has lost from me right now, as I have not asked for a refund since I still have Windows capability also, are my future considerations, which program will I invest more in the future. That will depend on the choices and the efforts Logos makes in their future decisions on Mac development. Time will tell.
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I would be interested to see a side by side point list of features. I would be bet that Logos wins with more features. But some of you are now saying According 1.0 is better because of performance and a few features you prefer. But as for richness I would bet that Logos had much more in its initial release and still does. If I had a large Accordance library I might be as excited. But I don't so what I see is a bland, almost feature less app.
Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
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Kevin,
My take on the IOS apps is as follows:
Those developers that have been in the mobile market for some time continue to improve their apps in these areas:
- Notes and highlights including online backup
- Ease of use for devotional and use in church, ie easily switching verses
- Integration of a limited library
- iPad utilization
- Split screen features
What I see from developers that are moving into the mobile market from desktop development is:
- Access to desktop library
- Focus on desktop priorities. For example if complex searching is what the desktop app is focused on then that will be a priority in moving to the mobile app. If it is tools for analysis such as the Passage Guide, then that will be a priority.
I think the current situation allows for an app for devotional and church use and one that would allow access to a large desktop library.
Logos is a great app in my opinion for what it does.. give me access to my Logos library as well as provide some integration via online access.
Currently evaluating feature for feature is difficult due to priorities established in development and what may be important to users. What I hear as complaints are users wanting features that were not the priority for the developers in bringing the app to market, but are on the list of future features. I think both products being discussed here do a good job at what is a priority for them, and both have a list of features to be provided in future upgrades. An evaluation in 6 months will provide a better perspective.
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