New KF Base Packages

We just released a new version of all nine of our base packages (KF), and we wanted
to let you know why. It’s not a major reconfiguration like we do when we release
a new version of the software. It’s a minor maintenance update to make a few adjustments for
some of the publishers we work with and also take care of some other little issues. (It's similar to what we did a few years ago when
we moved from OC to ND.)

Here’s what’s changed (not all of these apply to all base packages):

At Zondervan’s request, we’ve replaced the TNIV and NIV (1984) with the
new 2011 NIV. The license is included, and the file is just about finished. It
will automatically download as soon as it’s ready.
We’ve added the NET Bible Notes as a separate resource. In previous base
packages, the notes were included only as footnotes in the Bible text itself.
Now you will be able to view them in a separate panel alongside your Bible text.
We’ve added the Logos LXX Variants and its corresponding reverse
interlinear.
We’ve added a new Book of Common Prayer lectionary.
At Baker’s request, we removed their titles from a few of our
collections. They are still available for purchase on our website as add-on products.

Refer to the comparison chart
for all the details.

There are two items of good news for all existing LE package owners:

It’s a free crossgrade from your LE package to
its KF replacement, which essentially means that owners of Bible Study Library
and higher get a free copy of the new 2011 NIV. Depending on your base package
level, you may also get some additional titles as indicated above.
You won’t lose anything you already have. You’ll retain the TNIV, the
1984 NIV, and all of your Baker content.

Though the new NIV isn’t quite finished yet, you can go ahead and get your free crossgrade today.The file will download as soon as it is ready.

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nicky crane

Phil, can you explain for the uninitiated/ignorant, e.g. me, what's the difference between KF and LE?? [^o)]

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

Phil, can you explain for the uninitiated/ignorant, e.g. me, what's the difference between KF and LE??

Logos has had a "Scholar's Library" since 2001 (I think), but its contents have changed over time. "LE", "KF" etc. are tags that we add to the name of the product to distinguish these revisions from each other (when it matters). Scholar's Library (KF) is 99% the same as Scholar's Library (LE); Phil listed the differences in his post (under "Here’s what’s changed").

Phil Gons (Logos)

Phil, can you explain for the uninitiated/ignorant, e.g. me, what's the difference between KF and LE??

Ever since we launched the Libronix Digital Library System, we've been keeping track of the different generations of our packages with letters to help to distinguish between versions of Scholar's Library, for example. Usually a new base package generation corresponds to a new version of the software, but not always.

Here's all the generations of our packages so far:

RA: Libronix 1
QB: Libronix 2
OC: Libronix 3
ND: Libronix 3 (maintenance update)
LE: Logos 4
KF: Logos 4 (maintenance update)

Usually the difference between each generation of packages is scores or hundreds of new books. In maintenance updates like KF, it's just a few little things.

DAL

Oh my goodness, that's a HUGE change!!! I'm sure glad I purchased my Platinum when it first came out! I love Baker's Exegetical Commentary and Baker's NT Commentary I don't think I could give those up. Anyway, so far so good!

nicky crane

Thank you, Bradley, for your quick and clear reply! I've ordered the crossgrade [:D]

Rosie Perera

How do you come up with those letters? Do they stand for anything, or are they just random? Here are my guesses...

RA = Really Awesome

QB = Quite a Bargain

OC = Obviously Complete

ND = Never Deficient

LE = Learn Everything

KF = Keep Functioning

Rosie Perera

Oh my goodness, that's a HUGE change!!! I'm sure glad I purchased my Platinum when it first came out! I love Baker's Exegetical Commentary and Baker's NT Commentary I don't think I could give those up. Anyway, so far so good!

Did you notice he said "You won’t lose anything you already have."

NetworkGeek

I ordered the cross grade, thanks! Price is very good, but is there an option for a payment plan [;)]

DAL

Rosie: Did you notice he said "You won’t lose anything you already have."

Douglas: I know, I just feel bad for those who will purchase from now on. [:)]

Matthew C Jones

Did you notice he said "You won’t lose anything you already have."

YES. That is the statement I was frantically searching for in Phil's announcement. I guess we are "grand-fathered" in as to the content license. I am quite happy about keeping the NIV 1984 and the Baker titles.

DAL

Oh my goodness, that's a HUGE change!!! I'm sure glad I purchased my Platinum when it first came out! I love Baker's Exegetical Commentary and Baker's NT Commentary I don't think I could give those up. Anyway, so far so good!

Did you notice he said "You won’t lose anything you already have."

By the way, I could give BECNT and Bakers NT up if Logos could give us Platinum owners the NICOT/NICNT set to replace those...LOL...hey, I got nothing to lose by day dreaming...hehehe.[:P]

James Ogle

Does this update automatically, or do I have to go to the website and do it manually?

Ron

Are BECNT and Baker NT the only Baker titles affected? I need to know so I can add them to my wishlist...they were only there implicitly before by nature of having Platinum on my wishlist.

John Nerdue

I quickly numbered the resourses in LE and KF and found that LE has 1204 while the new KF has 1169. I used my Libronix 3 account summary and compared only the books not data types ect. Can anyone confirm this number?

It looks like Baker encyclopidia of psycology and counseling, Baker encyclopidia of the bible, the Baker exegetical commentary, and the Baker new testament commentary are gone. I am not sure what else.

Luuk Dondorp

You won’t lose anything you already have. You’ll retain the TNIV, the
1984 NIV, and all of your Baker content.

How does it work when you're computer harddisk crashes and there is no backup available?? I know my Logos 4 will download all over again on a new computer (or harddisk) but what will happen to all these resources which were available in the LE package but not anymore in the KF package?

Kevin Becker

How does it work when you're computer harddisk crashes and there is no backup available?? I know my Logos 4 will download all over again on a new computer (or harddisk) but what will happen to all these resources which were available in the LE package but not anymore in the KF package?

You keep access to the books you've purchase. All you need to do is reinstall Logos and log in with your user name and it will download all the books you have the license to.

DominicM

At Zondervan’s request, we’ve replaced the TNIV and NIV (1984) with the
new 2011 NIV. The license is included, and the file is just about finished. It
will automatically download as soon as it’s ready

is it going to have a new filename? will we still have access to 1984Edition?

Graham Criddle

DominicM

In his original post Phil said that we will retain the TNIV and the 1984 NIV

You won’t lose anything you already have. You’ll retain the TNIV, the
1984 NIV, and all of your Baker content.

He didn't specify the mechanics.

Graham

Josh

Oh my goodness, that's a HUGE change!!! I'm sure glad I purchased my Platinum when it first came out! I love Baker's Exegetical Commentary and Baker's NT Commentary I don't think I could give those up. Anyway, so far so good!

Good thing I already own Platinum too. That is not just some Baker content, that's some very good Baker content being taken out.

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

At Zondervan’s request, we’ve replaced the TNIV and NIV (1984) with the
new 2011 NIV. The license is included, and the file is just about finished. It
will automatically download as soon as it’s ready

is it going to have a new filename? will we still have access to 1984Edition?

Yes and yes.

Rich DeRuiter

At Zondervan’s request, we’ve replaced the TNIV and NIV (1984) with the
new 2011 NIV. The license is included, and the file is just about finished. It
will automatically download as soon as it’s ready

is it going to have a new filename? will we still have access to 1984Edition?

Yes and yes.

Two questions:

Will the 1984 NIV Reverse Interlinear OT still be finished?
Will the new 2011 NIV get a Reverse Interlinear, and if so, how soon?

David Langer

Sure glad I pulled the lever on purchasing this last week -- I would have really been unhappy if I had lost out on the Baker commentaries by just a few days. . .

Robert M. Warren

ND = Never Deficient

Actually ND is secret code for Roman Catholic users = Notre Dame

In the works is a secret code for North American Protestants = NAP [:D]

Giovanni Baggio

I just feel sorry for the new guys that will have to pay the same amount old platinum guys paid but will get less resources for it. Bomber!!! or Bummer? oh well...

DAL

Oh my goodness, that's a HUGE change!!! I'm sure glad I purchased my Platinum when it first came out! I love Baker's Exegetical Commentary and Baker's NT Commentary I don't think I could give those up. Anyway, so far so good!

Good thing I already own Platinum too. That is not just some Baker content, that's some very good Baker content being taken out.

You are right Joshua...that's not just "some Baker content" that's some excellent Baker content. D.A. Carson highly recommends the BECNT; especially the Luke volumes. He said those 2 volumes are # 1 on the list of commentaries on the gospel of Luke. I'm glad we get to keep them just like some kept Barclay's Daily Bible Studies (old version) when the publisher asked Logos to remove them also. Anyway, as the old saying goes, "Early bird catches the best Logos 4 deals!" hehehe

Matt Hamrick

Dang, that's a shame.. BECNT and BDAG are the sole reasons I upgraded to Plat. So, removing all the Baker titles should cause the price of the package to go down.

BillS

Two questions:

Will the 1984 NIV Reverse Interlinear OT still be finished?

Will the new 2011 NIV get a Reverse Interlinear, and if so, how soon?

[Y][Y]

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

2. Will the new 2011 NIV get a Reverse Interlinear, and if so, how soon?

http://www.logos.com/comparison lists NIV Reverse Interlinear with the footnote that the license is included but we don't yet have any files. The reverse interlinear will be for the same version of the Bible that's included in the collection, i.e., the 2011 NIV. I don't know how soon it will be available.

jcc

Are the new resources available in Logos 3?

I didn't see the usual license upgrade file nor the new files to download after I did the crossgrade.

Matthew C Jones

Are the new resources available in Logos 3?

I didn't see the usual license upgrade file nor the new files to download after I did the crossgrade.

That is another good question. If the answer be "Nope" I find myself on the better side of the fence this time. I've still got the Baker titles and I would much rather keep my "1984 NIV only" library holdings than have it be a "2011 NIV only" library.

(This is not to be mistaken as a promotion of NIV over other versions. It is only a preference of the 1984 NIV over the later versions of NIV)

Paul D. Adams

Hey Phil:

Pardon my ignorance but is there any indication the KF upgrade is successfully completed from the Help > About page? Mine shows:

Logos Bible Software 4.0b SR-2 (4.10.4.8574)

My reason for asking is that I submitted for the free crossgrade > downloaded the .dmg image > launched it (with Logos shut down) and, after running, Logos4 simply restarted. So, I've no indication that Logos4 was updated to the KF crossgrade.

Thanks in advance for your response.

Jerry M

You go through the upgrade process just as if you were going to buy a book or upgrade to a higher base package. It will then show as an upgrade on your account page with all your other purchases, except the cost is zero.

Eric Weiss

Kinda like changing a 12 oz. drink to an 11.5 oz. can and charging the same price?

Paul D. Adams

Thanks, Jerry. I have done that and downloaded the .dmg file and installed/launched. But, how do I know my Scholars LE has beed updated to the KF package?

Jerry M

If you didn't have the Net Bible Notes as a separate resource, you should have it now. I don't know if the Logos version number changed or not.

Mark Smith

Are the new resources available in Logos 3?

Two of the three mentioned can be downloaded from the Logos ftp site: ftp://ftp.logos.com/lbxbooks/

Look for LLXXIVAR.lbxlls and GS_NETNOTES.lbxlls

The Lectionary is not in Logos 3 format.

I imagine the new NIV will be made available in Logos 3 format.

You can download the two available files directly to your Libronix Resources folder. You may need to synch your licenses to be able to see them.

James R. Adams

It’s a free crossgrade from your LE package to
its KF replacement

I sorry to be dense, but I don't get it. When I click on the "free crossgrade" link I land on a page that offers me a "custom upgrade" from my LE to the KF at the discounted price of only $675. What happened? Did I miss out?

Mark Smith

James, please go to your account page on Logos.com and click on the Orders tab. Look for the KF crossgrade. If it is there, Logos upgraded you automatically and you should be able to download any books that you are due by closing and reopening Logos. If the crossgrade (it shows up as an upgrade) isn't there I don't know why you are getting this note.

Dan Francis

It’s a free crossgrade from your LE package to
its KF replacement

I sorry to be dense, but I don't get it. When I click on the "free crossgrade" link I land on a page that offers me a "custom upgrade" from my LE to the KF at the discounted price of only $675. What happened? Did I miss out?

Logos tries to get you to upgrade to the next package level, you can click on your current package to get the free crossgrade.

-dan

James R. Adams

Resolved. I was confused. Again. Thanks.

Mark O'Hearn

Thank you for your reply Stephen. Actually I noticed that today as I was cataloguing the better commentaries (as suggested by Best Commentaries) with those currently available for Logos 4. Now if we could only break up the NICNT/NICOT. Anyway, I was not surprised that Logos had almost all of the commentaries mentioned over at Best Commentaries Top 2 List. They have an immense library available.

Friedrich

How do you come up with those letters? Do they stand for anything, or are they just random? Here are my guesses...

RA = Really Awesome

QB = Quite a Bargain

OC = Obviously Complete

ND = Never Deficient

LE = Learn Everything

KF = Keep Functioning

I dunno why they came up with it, but I will bet a Hermeneia series that the next package update is JG. Just Giddy.

Dennis

Hey Phil,

I just "purchased" the new NIV 2011... and I love it! Although I was quite surprised when I read your post saying I was supposed to get a FREE up-grade? The price was worth it, but I'm curious as to why I did not get it free? I have the silver (LE) package with the NIV84, is there anyway I could get a refund or gift credit to use this money on another resource? [:D]

Also, I was wondering how soon the NIV 2011 will be getting the interlinear feature? or if they're are even working on it yet? [*-)]

Thanks and God Bless,

Dennis

Paul D. Adams

Dennis:

[UPDATE: Apologies. I have the Scholar's edition, so....]

I too have the Silver (LE) package but did not have to purchase the NIV 2011. It was merely pushed down automagically!

Kevin Becker

Hey Phil,

I just "purchased" the new NIV 2011... and I love it! Although I was quite surprised when I read your post saying I was supposed to get a FREE up-grade? The price was worth it, but I'm curious as to why I did not get it free? I have the silver (LE) package with the NIV84, is there anyway I could get a refund or gift credit to use this money on another resource?

Also, I was wondering how soon the NIV 2011 will be getting the interlinear feature? or if they're are even working on it yet?

Thanks and God Bless,

Dennis

Call sales, they should be able to take care of you.

Finally, yes, Logos has said they will make a RI for the NIV 2011 but that they'll finish the RI on the NIV84 first.

Nick Gonzalez

Thanks Phil.

Whats the difference between the NIV (1984) with the
new 2011 NIV?

Has this been asked yet? I looked and could not find anything on this discussion.

Thanks in advance.

Nickg

Rick

Whats the difference between the NIV (1984) with the
new 2011 NIV?

Hi Nick, someone here in the forums suggested this page to review the differences: http://revdmarkstevens.wordpress.com/2010/11/05/updates-to-the-niv-2011-comparison-page/ unfortunately, I cannot remember who supplied the link (I bookmarked it quite some time ago) to give them credit. I am not trained enough or use the NIV enough to know if it was mostly positive or negative changes, but have heard from both sides of the isle. Some love it and others don't for various reasons. But, until someone else can give a more detailed response I hope the web site can help.

Scott S

Whats the difference between the NIV (1984) with the
new 2011 NIV?

Widely varied discussion By the numbers

Paul D. Adams

See Translator's Notes and here for detailed info on updated NIV vis-a-vis 1984 edition.

Mike D

Thanks for the info. However, when I go to the crossgrade page and select my current package it takes me to a page to upgrade from LE to KF, but it also adds WBC, which I already own, for $699. What should I do?

Thanks, MIke

Friedrich

i'd contact Logos and ask for customer service:

800-875-6467

Or email: customerservice@logos.com

I suppose you could ask for sales, or email sales@, too.

Mike S.

... but it also adds WBC, which I already own, for $699. What should I do?

Before waiting in the phone queue, I'd check my "Cart" first... it could be that (for whatever reason) WBC is in there. Removing it from your cart should take care of that. I'd also look at getting rid of cookies (or at least the Logos-related cookies) and restart the browser.

Blair

Does anyone know how this update works if you're running L4 on Windows and Mac? I downloaded for PC but when I tried to do the same for Mac the option wasn't there.

Dave Hooton

If you received an upgrade download on PC it should also occur on Mac. Have you tried the command update resources?

JT (alabama24)

Blair -

As Dave said, the updates should be automatic. The "update" is really one of your resource license. Just like when you purchase a new resource, or when one is updated, the files should automatically download on any & all computers.

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

Does anyone know how this update works if you're running L4 on Windows and Mac? I downloaded for PC but when I tried to do the same for Mac the option wasn't there.

Yes.

Wonder about restarting Mac ? (if update resources command does not help). Am aware Logos 4 Mac may need several restarts to download and index resources (known issue that has been reported).

If does not update, wiki Mac Troubleshooting => How to Report Bugs in Logos 4 Mac section has steps for attaching diagnostic log archive for forum discussion (also includes links for enabling diagnostic logging).

Keep Smiling [:)]

Blair

Thanks guys. The update resources and a restart did it.

Much appreciated.