Some of you Mac owners help me out

why do some flip out over Mac Book Pro. are the components the same as everyone else or or they special made for mac. is durability the reason? I mean i could buy a Mac about as easy as a ASUS G73 but I would be getting less machine plus spend several hundred more dollars for a mac. Not trying to be cute or objective but would really like to know. i have done a lot of research on laptops lately and come up with this ASUS G73JW-XTI. Is Asus a good company?

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Kenny Larsen

Mac's aren't cheap from a purely hardware perspective. You have always been able to get cheaper equivalents in the PC range. Most apple components are good quailty ones, but are simply bought from usual supplier so are nothing special. What you get with a mac is an OS that is designed to run on your specific hardware and therefore tends to be more stable and reliable, as well as easier to debug when things do go wrong.

I love my macbook (newest model white base spec one) it runs Logos and everything else fine. However, you need to analyse your needs etc. to decide what's right for you. Hardware specs aren't the be all and end all as the system has to efficiently interact with them.

I've never had a serious issue with Asus stuff, but have only bought bottom of the range stuff.

Kenny

Jason

The underlying hardware might be similar, but the software user experience is what makes it worthwhile for me. Also, because Apple is both the hardware and software provider, upgrades and updates are much more painless, in my opinion. I think they last slightly longer as well.

Yes, they are more expensive (I think they definitely overcharge), so you'd have to weigh your options to see if the user experience plus slightly longer life is worth it for you. For me it has been, but for others, Windows is a much better fit.

Alan Macgregor

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/209624#Comment_209624

Sam

Since I switched to a Mac in October 2009 (after 16 years with Windows PCs), I have really enjoyed the experience. I don't have any of the network/printer/software problems that I had in Windows (esp. Vista!). It just works. It's faster, more stable – it just works!

Mind you, I only have the iMac desktop, so I can't comment on laptops. But the Mac OS, including the painless upgrades I've had, works as well as it did the day it came out of the box!

IMHO Mac rocks! [:D]

Every blessing

Alan

Dan Francis

why do some flip out over Mac Book Pro. are the components the same as everyone else or or they special made for mac. is durability the reason? I mean i could buy a Mac about as easy as a ASUS G73 but I would be getting less machine plus spend several hundred more dollars for a mac. Not trying to be cute or objective but would really like to know. i have done a lot of research on laptops lately and come up with this ASUS G73JW-XTI. Is Asus a good company?

thanks

Quality is a major question, I will not say apple has never made a lemon, or that they are indestructible, but they are far more durable. Also the components are higher quality in general. Before purchasing my new macbook pro this spring, I went to Dell and set up a machine with the same as the macbook pro, it ended up being priced $280 higher than the MacBook Pro. I seriously wanted to consider a Windows machine and go the way of the hackintosh (running mac OS on a non apple machine). Having both my bother in law and sister in law just buying new machines (both HP if memory serves) they are far bulkier than my machine heavier and seem flimsy compared to mine. My 6 year Powerbook was still working perfectly when i got this, my sister in law had had 2 or 3 computers in that time frame. Now some people may want to have to replace a computer because it dies, I would happily still be using my powerbook had i not wanted to use Logos 4. I had no issues using any program at all (I am not a big game player). I would rather pay a little more money and have a computer i know i can depend on. I know of one friend who has a sony viao (a manufacturer i had always respected) it;s less than a year and it is already dying (unfortunately he lost his receipt so they would do nothing). I have little doubt my macbook pro will last me a good 4-5 years. I will enjoy using it and will likely have little problem finding a home for it when I want to move on. You have to purchase what will work best for you, for me it is macintosh.

-dan

Patrick S.

why do some flip out over Mac Book Pro. are the components the same as everyone else or...

Personally I think this phrase best explains it — Macs generally are 'bigger than the sum of their parts'.

Macs are pretty well the only personal computer manufactured as an entity, and in this way they are diametrically opposed to the Windows PC experience. In the Windows world you have a bunch of manufacturers operating at razor thin margins (because they know there is always someone else coming up behind willing to stab them in the back with cutthroat pricing) pushing out an array of boxes that then get Windows slapped on them. Someone might say 'yeah hey that's great, that's competition'. Well yes and no in terms of being best for you the consumer. Makes me think of that quote from the movie Armageddon (which they stole from John Glenn!)

Rockhound: You know we're sitting on four million pounds of fuel, one nuclear weapon and a thing that has 270,000 moving parts built by the lowest bidder. Makes you feel good, doesn't it?

Sometimes using a Windows machine (for me it's at work) one gets that uneasy feeling also — is it going to crash and burn??

Also it is about, at the end of the day, the user experience. I have a four+ year old Mac which works and feels snapper than a brand new Windows machine (high end i5 processor, 4GB RAM etc.) so my user experience is more satisfying.

That's the reason why the majority of people, once they give Macs a go and start using them fully don't look back.

p.s. and the MacBook Pro is a thing of beauty — go and try one [:)]

fgh

I was going to just post a link to the answer I gave another poster with pretty much the same question -- but when I looked it up I found that that 'other poster' was, in fact, you... You got plenty of answers last time, including mine at the end: http://community.logos.com/forums/t/27452.aspx. So why ask the same question again?

Jack Caviness

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/209645#Comment_209645

unfortunately he lost his receipt so they would do nothing

That would not be a problem with a Mac. I recommend that everyone always purchase Apple Care which extends the warranty to 3 years. If you can make it to an Apple Store, you don't need a receipt because the Apple Care is already registered by the machine's serial number. Our company and family have owned more than a dozen Macs and have never had a problem getting adequate service.

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/209798#Comment_209798

Recommend visiting an Apple Store => http://www.apple.com/retail/storelist/

[8-|] Apple wants Smiling customers [:D] - retail store employees rated on quality time with customers (not sales commission); Apple Retail Stores in Top 5 Sales $ per square foot in US. Also nice to receive email receipt (no need for cash register - employees carry devices on belt for credit card processing).

If have a problem with Mac, suggest making a free appointment with a Mac Genius => http://www.apple.com/retail/geniusbar/ If hardware repair needed, Mac Genius will discuss options with you and get your approval (and payment) before doing repair - depends on circumstances, special offer may be made - [8-|] Apple wants Smiling customers [:D]

Mac Genius have hardware diagnostic software and know Apple's extended warranties.

Example: bought an iMac at an Apple Store - did not purchase AppleCare - almost 3 years later, turn on iMac, screen black - made appointment with Mac Genius - took iMac to Apple Store - Mac Genius opened iMac, saw power supply hardware issue - replaced power supply for Free since Apple had extended power supply warranty for that iMac model to 3 years due to manufacturing defects.

Used Mac's retain value for several years - PowerMax has Trade-In program => http://www.powermax.com/everything_else/trade_in/ and offers used Mac's for purchase => http://www.powermax.com/preowned_macs with 90 day warranty.

Apple offers refurbished Mac's (current and previous generation models) => http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/mac with same 1 year warranty as new along with 14 day return option - only box marked refurbished - packed like new.

Only one Mac model has been refreshed since July last year => http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/

Apple licenses Mac OS X for Apple hardware - End User License Agreement (EULA) held up in Court - Hackintosh is illegal use of Mac OS X (on non-Apple hardware).

Mac Sales has step by step guide for transferring applications and user files (including Logos 4 Mac) from one Mac hard drive to another => http://eshop.macsales.com/articles/how-to-transfer-your-data-from-your-old-drive-to-a-new-drive (last year used same steps to upgrade 2006 Mac Book Pro hard drive from 5400 RPM to 7200 RPM - noticeably faster).

Logos has a Mac forum => http://community.logos.com/forums/75.aspx

[8-|] Apple wants Smiling customers [:D]

Keep Smiling [:)]

Sam West

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/209797#Comment_209797

I was going to just post a link to the answer I gave another poster with pretty much the same question -- but when I looked it up I found that that 'other poster' was, in fact, you... You got plenty of answers last time, including mine at the end: http://community.logos.com/forums/t/27452.aspx. So why ask the same question again?

Because i
still haven't made up my mind. I love the looks of Mac but $700 more
for a 17inch Mac compared to to a pc is a lot of money. Regardless I would buy
a Mac tomorrow if I knew the quality warranted it. I
have owned several Laptops in past and would like to get the very
best I can get this time around. I don't know whether you know or understand
the term research or not but that’s exactly what I am trying to do. I
would really like to own a Mac but don't want to pay a ridiculous price
and have it to wind up being a piece of junk after 2 years of use
like some of the other machines i have owned. I am still torn between a Mac and
a pc and you might see another post similar to this on this forum before
I make up my mind and if the good folks on this forum choose to respond
then surely it would be all right with you.

(Disclaimer: I have never owned a laptop, just desktops.) then how can you advise someone wanting laptop information?

Patrick S.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/209894#Comment_209894

and have it to wind up being a piece of junk after 2 years of use
like some of the other machines i have owned.

Not likely with a Mac machine — the MacBook Pros are well made and 'chalk and cheese' compared to the usual notebooks made for running Windows.

Does it have to be a 17" MacBook? Do you need that large screen size (machine) always moving around? What I mean is for less money you could get a 15" MacBook Pro with an i7 faster processor, put in a 7200 drive instead of 5400 and even get the screen upgrade to take it to 1680 x 1050 pixels then at your main location get a large external display.

The best thing really to do is find an Apple store (or helpful friend who has one) and have a good look at the two machines 15" and 17". Then do some reading up on reviews talking about quality of the units, you'll find they consistently rank highest for quality and customer satisfaction. Remember, Apple doesn't have, or need, the 'lowest bidder' build mentality.

Good luck!

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/209894#Comment_209894

Reading rumors about MacBook Pro model refreshes later this year => http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/#MacBook_Pro

Review of 2010 MacBook Pro i5 and i7 models => http://www.anandtech.com/show/3659/apples-15inch-core-i5-macbook-pro-the-one-to-get/3 appears performance difference matches CPU speed difference (laptop i7 about 10 % to 15 % faster than i5).

If buying 17" MacBook Pro this weekend, would consider couple current generation refurbished models:

$ 1,879 for 2.53 GHz i5 with glossy screen => http://store.apple.com/us/product/FC024LL/A

$ 2,079 for 2.66 GHz i7 with anti-glare screen => http://store.apple.com/us/product/FC665LL/A (costs 10 % more, similar to performance improvement)

Noted configure to order and refurbished MacBook Pro's have 5400 RPM drives. For refurbished, Apple has option of installing bigger and/or faster hard drive.

Recommend hard drive upgrade: http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Repair/Installing-MacBook-Pro-17-Inch-Unibody-Hard-Drive-Replacement/3401/1 has step by step guide.

Mac Sales has laptop DIY (Do It Yourself) upgrade kits => http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/hard-drives/2.5-Notebook/SATA/DIY/ (convert internal drive to portable external USB) - recommend 7200 RPM or faster drive, possibly Solid State Disk (SSD):

$ 104.99 for 640 GB 7200 RPM => http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Samsung/YHM640JJ/ (could use 500 GB for Time Machine backup)

$ 159.00 for 60 GB SSD => http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/YSSDMP060/

$ 259.99 for 120 GB SSD => http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/YSSDMP120/

$ 527.99 for 240 GB SSD => http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/Y3SSDMP240/

SSD Option: install Mac OS X and Logos 4 on internal SSD, use 500 GB portable drive for other documents.

By the way, once Apple ships newer Mac models, refurbished prices for previous generation go down (e.g. in mid 2010, watched $ 1,899 model drop to $ 1,699).

Recommend visiting an Apple Store to decide if glossy or anti-glare screen better. While in store, may want to look at 27" iMac desktop (quad core i7 noticeably faster than i5) plus screen much larger than 17" MacBook Pro. Also could look at an iPad for portability; clamcase looks interesting => http://clamcase.com/ ; likewise reading rumors about iPad 2 production starting this month.

Keep Smiling [:)]

Sam West

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/209904#Comment_209904

Does it have to be a 17" MacBook? Do you need that large screen size (machine) always moving around? What I mean is for less money you could get a 15" MacBook Pro with an i7 faster processor, put in a 7200 drive instead of 5400 and even get the screen upgrade to take it to 1680 x 1050 pixels then at your main location get a large external display.

Patrick thanks
for the reply.

Referring to the
post above the gentlemen ripped me for re-posting the same thing. We were then
discussing a 15inch Mac and someone said in another post that a 17inch is
better suited to running L4. I guess you could me confused. I love Mac
especially the screen and the OS but those17 inchers are high aren’t they?

Otto S. Carroll

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/209911#Comment_209911

Which screen is best suited to run L4 is really in the eyes of the beholder. I personally prefer the 17" (waited to buy a MBP until the 17" unibody was released), but I can't say that I wouldn't have been just as happy running L4 on a 15".

Jeff Causey

Sam,

I think I'm in a similar position as you. I've been considering buying a MBP mainly for the form factor, but I've been struggling with the additional cost of the hardware. Reading all these posts about the lengths Apple goes to regarding repairs and warranty coverage makes me wonder whether the quality is all it seems to be. Especially in light of the experience I've had with my iPhone. The other thing seems to be that for the extra cost of a MBP, I could buy cheaper hardware and still be way ahead financially even if I have to make a few repairs.

Good luck with your decision.

Kenny Larsen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/209911#Comment_209911

With regard to screen size I manage perfectly adequately on a 13inch. Bear in mind they are widescreen, which I find helps with L4 asI can easily manage two columns in layout and read easily. It depends how you use L4 I think. I find no benefit with a 17inch standard screen, although it is older and not great resolution. It's a personal preference, if you can afford it don't drop to 13inch, but I think 15 would be fine.

Kenny

Patrick S.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/209911#Comment_209911

Does it have to be a 17" MacBook? Do you need that large screen size (machine) always moving around? What I mean is for less money you could get a 15" MacBook Pro with an i7 faster processor, put in a 7200 drive instead of 5400 and even get the screen upgrade to take it to 1680 x 1050 pixels then at your main location get a large external display.

Patrick thanks
for the reply.

Referring to the
post above the gentlemen ripped me for re-posting the same thing. We were then
discussing a 15inch Mac and someone said in another post that a 17inch is
better suited to running L4. I guess you could me confused. I love Mac
especially the screen and the OS but those17 inchers are high aren’t they?

Hi again. With running Logos I see three factors:

CPU and general 'grunt' of the system — important for processing complex queries etc. In this case the higher the processor you can get the better. The 15" can go to i7 processor — so can 17", but you don't have to go to 17" to get an i7 processor.
HDD performance — if your pocket can stand it then you can go to SSD drive in either 15" or 17", but you'll pay for it. However in either the 15" or 17" you can upgrade the HDD from 5400 to 7200 to get noticeably better performance for just $50.
Display size — to see as much as possible. Again you are not forced to go to 17" here because for $100 more on the 15" you can change to 1680 x 1050 display.

In all cases you're not forced to go to 17" MacBook Pro.

Re: the quality and service, I don't think Apple provides good service because the machines are substandard (they aren't, they are the 'gold standard' in notebooks) but because they want to look after people who make investment in the product. Again read the reviews and see what the balance of them say.

And again — hey go and have a look at one, pick it up, turn it over and feel the quality. The 'proof's in the pudding' — if you know that saying!

Stephen

Sam,

I did quite a lot of research before moving to AMc over 2 years ago. I provide IT support on my job and have been supporting windows for over a decade. One of the main reason I switched is I was so fed up with all the issues with Windows. When I came home I don't want to be doing tech support for my family. With the Mac it's very simple. When I gave my wife her first MacBook she asked me to set it up. I told her to just turn it one. The only thing I had to do was to tell her was the WPE key for the wifi. While doing my research I spec'd out several Mac vs Dell's and many of the Dell's came out to around $200 more once you tried to get the same quality monitor. Even if you find a windows computer at a lower cost with the same spec's you still have to consider what we in the IT industry refer to as Total Cost of Ownership. The Mac comes with really good software already installed. I'm an avid photographer and I use iPhoto quite extensively. I know a lot of people who use Photosop but I haven't needed to. iPhoto does everything I need. It also integrates with the other software. I take pictures from iPhoto. send them to iDvd and create slideshow with my music from iTunes (or Garage band if I choose), then create menus for the various slide shows so when you put the DVD in the player it comes up with a menu and the various slide shows. I created a memorial DVD when my Grandfather passed away. We had pictures from the early 20's through his life with all my family in them. Now my Aunt's and Uncles can put it in there DVD when ever they want and see all those memories of my Grandparents. Yes you can do this in windows to and there is 3rd party software you can use but iLife on a Mac integrates all these apps so that the stuff you do in one you is already accessible in the other without have to figure out what folder you put it in. it took me about 2 hours to create that DVD.

I've started using my MacBook Pro at the office. Many of the productivity apps I use are so much easier than windows counterparts and they export to formats that the windows software uses. many of the apps I use integrate seamlessly with the other apps like mail, iCal, Address book. They have a really good personal Database solution for Mac called Bento. You don't have to understand databases, it's all through a GUI and is very good for organizing files, data, ect.

I have around 30 Tech guys that work for me and over half of them have switched to Mac's. We have to support windows so we use VMWare Fusion to run windows in a Virtual Machine. We are trying to get our company to purchase MacBook Pro's when the upgrade our current laptops.

Oh yes, one last note. Most of the software I purchase is a fraction of what it cost for comparable widows software. iWork can be purchased through the Mac app store for about $60 where even the Student version of Office for Mac 2011 is over $100

I truly believe when you factor in the total cost of ownership (software, upgrades) the Mac is a much better deal. I have had my 17in MacBook Pro for almost 2years now and it's still running like a champ. When the new ones come out I would like to upgrade to get the latest but I can't justify it. this one is still running way to good and so I don't need a new one (just want it). The Mac is so easy to use and yes "it just works". I have had it lock up a few times but now near what a windows box does, haven't had any issue with drivers or trying to find the right one and when I upgrade software it's smooth. With Time Machine I don't have top worry. When I got my wife her new MacBook Pro she just plugged in the hard drive with her Time machine backup and all her programs and seeting were transferred to her new Mac, she didn't have to do anything else. It was just like she was still on her old computer.

Stephen

Jack Caviness

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/209943#Comment_209943

Reading all these posts about the lengths Apple goes to regarding repairs and warranty coverage makes me wonder whether the quality is all it seems to be.

The quality of Mac hardware is top notch, but any product will have occasionally failures. Considering the cost of a new motherboard or power supply, Apple Care is cheap insurance. Between our business and homes, my family owns more than a dozen macs. The oldest is about 8 years old and is finally looking like it needs replacement. My personal machine is 4+ years old and has never visited the Apple Store. Our work place is very dirty as we cut and grind metal for a living. Of the 8 Macs that have been in that environment, 3 have been in for repair. Those 3 are all over 5 years old and still operating.

BTW: My 4+ year old Mac Pro (desktop model) runs L4 Mac and Windows very well.

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/210008#Comment_210008

New to Mac OS X ? included in Logos 4 Mac Overview mini-faq => http://wiki.logos.com/Logos_4_Mac#Mini_FAQ

PC Advisor in UK has 8 reasons why a Mac is better than a PC => http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/index.cfm?newsid=115151 and Can Mac OS overtake Windows ? http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/index.cfm?NewsID=8863

Concur with PC Advisor - Apple not perfect. As a consumer, Apple is a quality brand that offers good value for money.

Another Total Cost of Ownership (TCO) observation: downloading and applying security patches. Windows tends to have more programs from various vendors that need patching along with Microsoft monthly patch sets. Apple has fewer software updates (and standard hardware configurations to test for compatibility).

Personally like 27" iMac screen: 2,560 pixels horizontally x 1,440 pixels vertically, lots of desktop space for many Logos 4 panels. Wiki page has an example => http://wiki.logos.com/Logos_4_Mac When price comparing with PC's from several manufacturer's could not beat Apple's price for BIG screen (with LED back lighting) with computer. However, 27" iMac lacks portability (bit heavy to pick up and move).

Appropriate Mac model and screen size for Logos depends on individual library user.

Some Apple disadvantages - cannot play blu-ray movies (can download high definition movies via iTunes) - limited hardware choices due to significantly fewer models. Apple still using original design (early 1980's) for resizing a window - drag lower right corner.

Do recognize computer landscape changing - "most exciting CES" => http://www.asymco.com/2011/01/06/this-is-the-most-exciting-ces-ever/ (couple monopoly changes - exclusivity over).

The only thing I had to do was to tell her was the WPE key for the wifi

If WPE should be WEP, highly recommend changing WiFi configuration to WPA2 - many laptops have enough processing power to break WEP encryption in real time (WEP slightly better than not using encryption).

Keep Smiling [:)]

Josh

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/210169#Comment_210169

I bought an iMac for two reason:

1. OSX - no viruses!

2. It looks gorgeous.

Otto S. Carroll

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/210182#Comment_210182

Probably the best thing I like about using Mac's (OSX) is having the ability to create bootable clones of my internal drive onto an external drives (USB or FW800). Last week my internal drive's SMART diagnostics indicated that it was about to fail. So I updated my cloned external drive and ran my computer from it for 2 days while waiting for a replacement internal drive. After installing the new internal, all I had to do was to clone it from my external. Installing and restoring the new drive took less than two hours - other than the time it took to do this, I didn't lose the use of my machine.

Having external clone is also great for Beta testing new software!!!

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/210304#Comment_210304

Please forgive me for being late to the party. I have totally ignored the Mac threads because my newest Mac is an old 3G sitting in the garage. I do not know where to begin with my Logos 4 Mac questions. (I did look at the Wiki FAQs)

My wife just bought a used iMac for her computer animation studies. Basic specs are:

iMac g5 24"
2.16 Ghz Intel core 2 Duo
3GB RAM,
500GB SATA hard drive,
"SuperDrive?" DVD-RW/CD-RW
Bluetooth, Wi-Fi, wireless keyboard & mouse
It is upgraded to MacOs 10.7 Lion and
runs Windows 7 Ultimate under VMfusion.

My questions are:

Do I install Logos 4 under Windows or MacOs? Which is faster?
Can I install one set of resources and access them from both operating systems?
Can resources be installed to an external drive? My library is 15GB, give or take.
Any problem having two user licenses installed on one machine?
Should I dare install Libronix for Mac version 1.0? (Yes , I actually have that very "alpha class" CD.)
Which platform is better for producing Personal Books on? We have both Office 2010 Pro for Windows and Office 2011 Business for Mac.

Please spare me the taunting for being a Windows defector. I'm still a fan of W7 Ultimate, it is my wife, Nina, who is the traitor. [6]

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/286424#Comment_286424

Way to go NINA![:D]

I will answer these to the best of my ability for you. I am sure someone will correct my errors [:)]

Do I install Logos 4 under Windows or MacOs? Which is faster?

I have not installed L4 Win on my Mac. You have two options: Boot Camp (which turns the mac into a duel boot PC) or virtualization software. In either case, you will have to own a copy of windows that you can legitimately install on the mac.

Can I install one set of resources and access them from both operating systems?

I think KS4J said no. They use different folder organization systems.

Can resources be installed to an external drive? My library is 15GB, give or take.

Yes, but I think the app has to be installed there as well.

Any problem having two user licenses installed on one machine?

No, but only one per user account.

Should I dare install Libronix for Mac version 1.0?

No idea.

Which platform is better for producing Personal Books on?

Gulp. Windows. Word for Mac has a couple of quirks unique to it. For example, on Windows, you can create hyperlinks through Word's Hyperlink feature. It doesn't work on Mac.

Wes Saad

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/286424#Comment_286424

On the whole, Logos still runs a little better on Windows than on the Mac, but if you're talking running it under a virtual machine, you're much better off using the native Mac version. As for sharing resources, no, you can't share them. Have to do separate installs for each.

It is possible to load the resources on the Mac to an external drive, but it's a little tricky (and you'll probably take a performance hit) so I don't really recommend doing it unless you know how to create symlinks from the command line.

I wouldn't install version 1 Libronix. I know of no good reason to use it.

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/286434#Comment_286434

Do I install Logos 4 under Windows or MacOs? Which is faster?

I have not installed L4 Win on my Mac. You have two options: Boot Camp (which turns the mac into a duel boot PC) or virtualization software. In either case, you will have to own a copy of windows that you can legitimately install on the mac.

To use virtualization software, need enough RAM for Mac OS X and Windows to run at same time. Personally have used virtualization on iMac with 8 to 16 GB RAM (so Windows virtual machine can have 2 to 3 GB RAM). With 3 GB Ram installed, may want to consider Boot Camp (also Logos 4 PC runs faster in Boot Camp since Mac OS X not running).

Can I install one set of resources and access them from both operating systems?

I think KS4J said no. They use different folder organization systems.

Mac OS X file system does not use drive letters (and slashes between folders are opposite direction). Some Logos 4 databases include file system path to resource file so those databases can only be used on appropriate operating system. Technically could share one set of resources, which includes technical issue (headache) of maintaining Logos 4 databases (and indexes) for both operating systems. Much easier to use scan command to copy resources from one installation to another, see wiki Quick Installation onto Multiple Macs => Copy Logos 4 Resources to Mac OS X

Can resources be installed to an external drive? My library is 15GB, give or take.

Yes, but I think the app has to be installed there as well.

Possibility: create a Mac user whose home directory is on external drive. Another option is booting Mac from an external drive. When powering up Mac or restarting, can press and hold option key so Mac scans storage for bootable partitions (on internal and external drives), then can click which partition to boot.

Logos 4 Mac application can be in different folder than Logos4 folder.

On iMac primarily used by my wife, stable Logos 4 Mac is installed in Applications folder while beta Logos 4 Mac in installed in my Documents folder.

Any problem having two user licenses installed on one machine?

No, but only one per user account.

Concur: my wife has her Mac user account with her Logos library. My Mac user account has a larger Logos library (we often use Logos at same time; separate libraries avoids many sync surprises plus can customize differently). After changing couple home folder permissions (add read access for others), can use scan command to copy resources from one Logos 4 installation to another.

Should I dare install Libronix for Mac version 1.0?

No idea.

With OS X Lion (and Safari 5) installed, Logos for Mac v 1.2.2 is essentially an e-Book Reader. Safari 5 changed rendering that is not backward compatible with Safari 4 (used by Logos for Mac v1).

Which platform is better for producing Personal Books on?

Gulp. Windows. Word for Mac has a couple of quirks unique to it. For example, on Windows, you can create hyperlinks through Word's Hyperlink feature. It doesn't work on Mac.

Likewise concur. Thankful can copy compiled lbspbb file from Windows Logos 4 Resource folder and scan for use in Logos 4 Mac (cannot build since Windows file path is not available on Mac). Personal experience => Bug: Logos 4.3 SR-2 Personal Book Build Failed for PB Wiki Rev 72 example

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Eric S. Hatfield

Looks like you have had many mac folks answer your request. I have only been a macbook pro owner for just over a year. I was a software developer on windows platform for 15+ years (always with the latest and greatest PC hardware). I made the switch April last year when my IBM gave up the ghost. I have had a wonderful experience and I will never go back to a PC.

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/286478#Comment_286478

Looks like you have had many mac folks answer your request.

I'm learning quite a bit from everyone's responses. I had a few misunderstandings on how an iMac runs two operating systems. The last thing I want to do is mess up my wife's new Mac by mis-configuring two Logos 4 and two Libronix installations. I think I will take it slowly and read all the forum posts I can to ensure her Logos 4 Mac experience is good.

I appreciate all the advice. [8-|] [C]

edit:and read the Wiki, and watch the videos, .....

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https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/286526#Comment_286526

I appreciate all the advice.

Wiki has => Logos 4 Mac overview page.

Likewise would appreciate suggestion(s) for improving Logos 4 Mac information in wiki pages.

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Mike Binks

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/286526#Comment_286526

Hi ST

The last thing I want to do is mess up my wife's new Mac by mis-configuring two Logos 4 and two Libronix installations.

I know that you are joined in flesh and should be considered one person. But when it comes to your computer you would be much better being two distinct users!

If you set up and account on your wife's Mac - then there is little you can do on it that will affect your wife's account. Actually there is little you can do to mess up your own account.

If your existing Windows machine is available and working I suggest that you install Logos4Mac and see how it goes - by the time you run out of Hard Disc space you will be familiar enough with the machine to be more confident in selecting a solution.

The only think that I would recommend in addition is getting a USB or Firewire external drive and setting up Time Machine. The apple you have bought is second hand and you don't really know how the hard drive has been treated. Time Machine will be both you and your wife's insurance. And it is really simple to operate.

Donovan R. Palmer

why do some flip out over Mac Book Pro. are the components the same as everyone else or or they special made for mac. is durability the reason? I mean i could buy a Mac about as easy as a ASUS G73 but I would be getting less machine plus spend several hundred more dollars for a mac.

I was a windows user going back to 3.1. I didn't like Macs because they were proprietary when it came to sharing files and doing anything together. Also some of my Mac friends were so aggressive in their promotion of their choice of computing hardware that it put me off.

That being said, things that I longed for on windows computer usually came out years ahead on the Mac. For ages we could not get a decent built in pointing device. (anyone remember the trackballs that you could attach to the side of your computer?) In general, I had to admit that the Mac operating system was more stable as well. Windows has to be able to accommodate an infinite number of hardware combinations, whereas Apple knows what is going to go into their computers. This contributes hugely to stability, working out the drivers and making everything play nicely with each other.

I was also getting to a point where I didn't enjoy tinkering with computers so much any more. I just wanted to be able to plug in a wireless printer and have it work. I didn't want to spend the evening trying to make it play nicely with my computer and others in the house. I wanted a good, painless backup routine. I wanted decent video, photo and other software included that 'just worked' with my hardware.

So after two VERY bad experiences with Vista, I decided to take the plunge. I have never looked back. We now have four macbooks in our family and there has never been a word uttered about missing windows. Everything backs up to our time capsule. We all share a printer through the time capsule that took all but three minutes to get going. Everything just works. They cost a bit more, but the end user experience is so much better that it has seemed like money well spent. I think the fact that OSX runs off of BSD UNIX is a real bonus. UNIX is an incredible hard and stable OS.

I have Office for 2011 (including Outlook) on my Mac and at work I can do anything that I am required to do for the most part. In fact I never feel like I am out of place. I do have Windows XP running under Fusion if I get desperate, but now that Logos for Mac is starting to mature, it has been about a year since I used Windows/Fusion for anything serious. Networking always works flawlessly, even if I need to use Windows services.

Macs aren't for everyone and if someone prefers windows, that's fine. I have heard good things about Windows 7 and if someone wants to go the windows route, I generally advise them to go for something like a Dell which has a large user base from which the company can refine its drivers. I also recommend (and I do this for Mac as well) that you keep it lean/mean. Don't install anything you just don't absolutely need. The more stuff you install on a computer, the more it drains it's resources and adds to potential conflicts.

Hope this helps you make your decision.