Ability to search within headings and/or Table of Contents - vote for it!
This is one I know a lot of you have been wanting. It wasn't on UserVoice, so I've added it, and it's already been noticed by a few, but I thought I'd make a more obvious shout-out for it.
Go vote here.
If you've already used up all your votes, perhaps there's something you want less than this which you can spare a vote from. This is really important! Without it we cannot find really relevant sections within most of our books. You know how tedious it is wading through hundreds or thousands of Search hits. So go vote for this feature!
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Rosie Perera said:
So go vote for this feature!
I gave it 3 by reducing 2 and canceling 1. If I could give it more than 3 I would. Thanks for putting it up.
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Good for you, Rosie! This would be a great improvement to the sofware. Thanks for posting it.
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Wow, awesome. We've already got 25 votes on this in less than a day. Keep it up, folks! This is way more visible than most new suggestions are. I think I'm sensing some pent up desire for this feature.
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Rosie-
I put up a post called Table of Contents / Heading search to promote the UserVoice idea, but it got no responses. Should I post it again with a different heading? Any ideas?
I really support this idea and need to see it get done - thanks for adding it to UserVoice and for all the work you do in the forums.
Anthony Uvenio
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Anthony U said:
Rosie-
I put up a post called Table of Contents / Heading search to promote the UserVoice idea, but it got no responses. Should I post it again with a different heading? Any ideas?
I really support this idea and need to see it get done - thanks for adding it to UserVoice and for all the work you do in the forums.
No need to have two threads about it. I didn't notice yours when I posted mine. Just keep bumping this one to keep it in people's view, and more folks will notice it, and hopefully follow the link and vote. That's how it works with Community Pricing titles. But then we also might start to see some competition, such as this thread: http://community.logos.com/forums/t/28407.aspx
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Enough said, I'll keep quite until we see it implemented. Thanks again.
Anthony Uvenio
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Rosie,
Can you explain this a little further? Is this mostly about improving and making more consistent the fields that are indexed across all the L4 resources? I thought you already could restrict searches in the ways you described if the resource in question was indexed on Headings, etc.
Thanks,
Donnie
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I'm having trouble navigating within Uservoice. How do I get from Rosie's link back to where I can change my votes? I have 0 votes left.
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Click on the link above the voting box (top left) that says 'return to Logos forums' or something similar.
or here is the link
http://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-4
Hope that helps
Sue
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Pam Larson said:
I'm having trouble navigating within Uservoice. How do I get from Rosie's link back to where I can change my votes? I have 0 votes left.
http://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-4/ will get you back to the main page.
I see that Sue and I posted at almost the same time. I will add that the link is contained in Rosie's initial post. Just back the URL back to logos-bible-software-4/
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Donnie Hale said:
Can you explain this a little further? Is this mostly about improving and making more consistent the fields that are indexed across all the L4 resources? I thought you already could restrict searches in the ways you described if the resource in question was indexed on Headings, etc.
Yes, it could be accomplished by tagging all the Headings in all the resources so that we can restrict searches to them. Currently if you try to search for something in Heading Text, it finds virtually no hits. Very few of the resources are tagged with Heading Text. I know they have said they do plan to do this eventually, but it sounds like an enormous task, and they are only updating a few resources every few months with LCV. I'm not sure whether this also includes tagging the Headings. Regardless, I want to see them accelerate the work on this, because it is so important. I'd like to see 25% of their entire back catalogue finished within the next year and see them catch up with the rest of it within the next two or three years, and implement a policy going forward that no new resources will be released without this work already having been done on them. As it stands now, they are getting further and further behind by releasing more works each year that are not tagged with LCV or Heading Text than they are having time to go back and tag.
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Definitely has my vote.
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Rosie Perera said:
Very few of the resources are tagged with Heading Text. I know they have said they do plan to do this eventually, but it sounds like an enormous task, and they are only updating a few resources every few months with LCV. I'm not sure whether this also includes tagging the Headings
The work of LCV is relating the text of headwords in bible dictionaries & topical bibles so that a word (for example "save") will find the associated article whether it be titled "save" or "salvation". Headings or "Heading Text" is described as "the text of book, chapter and pericope headings" and it is tagged as a Search Field, which means that you can restrict a normal Search to find the text. Headwords provide access to a definition in an English Dictionary or Greek Lexicon or give access to an article in an "encylopedia". Resources indexed by Headword do not also need to be tagged with Headings, but the arcane method of finding headwords (the "Topic search" from Entire Library) leaves much to be desired. Much better, therefore, to use a normal search to find Headings and for Logos to tag all useful resources with Headings!
Dave
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Thank you, Sue and Jack. My vote is now added.
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Ok.. I turned in my 3 votes and even shared it on Facebook for all my friends.
This is really an important feature. Thanks Rosie.
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This is great! In less than two days we've gotten it up to 49 votes, and it's now ranked 35th among 291 sugggestions. The average number of votes each of the 22 people who are supporting this gave it was 2.23, which shows how important it is to people. We need way more people, though, to show Logos that it's worth putting more internal resources on this. This is the sort of thing that will make me shout for joy and be able to show off Logos to my academic friends. (That and continued performance improvements.)
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[Y] Keep those votes coming!
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The good news: We're working on this. New and updated resources we've published in the last six months or so should have their headings tagged with the "Heading Text" field. You can restrict your search to this field by clicking "All Text" in Search and selecting "Heading Text" under "Search Fields" or by putting "heading:" in front of your search term (e.g. "heading:sin").
The bad news: Adding this to the entire library requires us to tag and rebuild everything and you to re-download and re-index everything. The downloading is the main bottleneck and the reason we've so far been limited to adding this by dribs and drabs, but we're hoping to see some improvements in the future which will ease this problem.
More good news: Because this tagging is a long-term project, we've also added a more automated approximation. The 4.2a beta automatically indexes larger text in resources with a special search field. If you're running the beta, you can try searching in the "Large Text" field or adding "largetext:" to your search term.
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Louis St. Hilaire said:
The good news:
This is good to hear. Glad you are continuing to work on this.
Louis St. Hilaire said:More good news:
Interesting. Will have to try it.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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Louis St. Hilaire said:
The good news: We're working on this. New and updated resources we've published in the last six months or so should have their headings tagged with the "Heading Text" field. You can restrict your search to this field by clicking "All Text" in Search and selecting "Heading Text" under "Search Fields" or by putting "heading:" in front of your search term (e.g. "heading:sin").
The bad news: Adding this to the entire library requires us to tag and rebuild everything and you to re-download and re-index everything. The downloading is the main bottleneck and the reason we've so far been limited to adding this by dribs and drabs, but we're hoping to see some improvements in the future which will ease this problem.
More good news: Because this tagging is a long-term project, we've also added a more automated approximation. The 4.2a beta automatically indexes larger text in resources with a special search field. If you're running the beta, you can try searching in the "Large Text" field or adding "largetext:" to your search term.
This is very good news. I think lots of people will be very happy about his.
Prov. 15:23
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Louis St. Hilaire said:
More good news: Because this tagging is a long-term project, we've also added a more automated approximation. The 4.2a beta automatically indexes larger text in resources with a special search field. If you're running the beta, you can try searching in the "Large Text" field or adding "largetext:" to your search term.
This is cool! It still seems not to quite have the right algorithm for ranking results but it's certainly an improvement in the meantime until all the heading tagging is completed.
Keep up the good work. Search has come a long way, and I'm really looking forward to where it's headed.
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Louis St. Hilaire said:
More good news: Because this tagging is a long-term project, we've also added a more automated approximation. The 4.2a beta automatically indexes larger text in resources with a special search field. If you're running the beta, you can try searching in the "Large Text" field or adding "largetext:" to your search term.
It is certainly more restrictive than a general search, especially in resources like ESV Study Bible (Salvation 67 vs.1232 hits) or K&D's Commentary on the Old Testament (Salvation 5 vs.1202 hits). Not perfect but very welcome!
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Louis St. Hilaire said:
The bad news: Adding this to the entire library requires us to tag and rebuild everything and you to re-download and re-index everything. The downloading is the main bottleneck
I would be very happy to download and index my entire library with all those improvements. But I know I am not the only customer... [:)]
Bohuslav
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Bohuslav Wojnar said:Louis St. Hilaire said:
The bad news: Adding this to the entire library requires us to tag and rebuild everything and you to re-download and re-index everything. The downloading is the main bottleneck
I would be very happy to download and index my entire library with all those improvements. But I know I am not the only customer...
A little bit here and a little bit there ie. don't just wait until all 10000 resources are complete!
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Bohuslav Wojnar said:Louis St. Hilaire said:
The bad news: Adding this to the entire library requires us to tag and rebuild everything and you to re-download and re-index everything. The downloading is the main bottleneck
I would be very happy to download and index my entire library with all those improvements. But I know I am not the only customer...
So would I. But I know there are people with bandwidth restrictions. I wish there were a two-tiered solution that would make us all happy.
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Wow, I have never seen we have already so many search fields. Great job Logos:
EDITED: I have Beta installed.
Bohuslav
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