SUGGESTION: Minority views

In another thread, the comparative dirth of resources by women, Latinos etc. etc. was mentioned. For books that would be of general issue may I suggest:

Renita Weems (black feminist):

Listening For God: A Ministers Journey Through Silence And Doubt
Just a Sister Away: Understanding the Timeless Connection Between Women of Today and Women in the Bible
Battered Love (Overtures to Biblical Theology)
What Matters Most: Ten Lessons in Living Passionately from the Song of Solomon
Showing Mary: How Women Can Share Prayers, Wisdom, and the Blessings of God
I Asked for Intimacy: Stories of Blessings, Betrayals, and Birthings
Praise is What We Do! Worshiping God with Head to Feet

Leonardo Boff (Latin American, Narrative/Liberation theologian):

Passion of Christ, Passion of the World
Introducing Liberation Theology
Way of the Cross--Way of Justice
Ecclesiogenesis: The Base Communities Reinvent the Church
Jesus Christ Liberator: A Critical Christology for Our Times
Essential Care: An Ethics of Human Nature
Lord Is My Shepherd: Divine Consolation in Times of Abandonment
Lord's Prayer: The Prayer of Integral Liberation
Praying With Jesus And Mary: Our Father, Hail Mary

Evangelical international:

Asia Bible Commentary Series
Africa Bible Commentary Series

Johanna Manley (Orthodox patristics):

The Bible and the Holy Fathers for Orthodox (Daily Scripture Readings and Commentary for Orthodox Christians)
Grace for Grace: The Psalter and the Holy Fathers
Isaiah Through the Ages (Holy Fathers)
Wisdom, Let Us Attend: Job, the Fathers, and the Old Testament (Holy Fathers)
The Lament of Eve (Holy Fathers)

Of these, I suspect that Leonardo Boff would be the hardest sell to the current customer base. My point is that Logos can broaden their appeal while still appealing to their core demographic.

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Matthew C Jones

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I would welcome Community Pricing collections of these varied resources and others. I imagine it would take higher bids to get them moving into production because many Logos users only purchase resources they use as a vocational tool. Other users will only purchase works in line with their personal denominational choices and express anguish over differing views even being offered. Still others cannot imagine ever crossing paths with feminist, liberation or postmodernist theologies.

A Logos subsidy would be unlikely but at least they deserve a chance to have a go at Community Pricing. Let them stand or fall under the scrutiny of the Logos search engines. [8-|] After all, Barnes' Notes and Thayer's Lexicon were allowed a chance.

Floyd Johnson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/214530#Comment_214530

I would be unlikely to bid on a collection of these - but would likely bid on one or two individual titles. I always learn by reading alternative views - but I would hesitate investing in a set of books that I know little about. How about two or three titles from each of these lists? This would allow LOGOS to test the waters and allow those of us unfamiliar with these authors to do our own testing.

If the list were limited to two or three titles, which of these would your recommend?

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/214533#Comment_214533

I agree that they should be offered as individual titles - one needs to be somewhat familiar with an author before purchasing an expensive collection. I'd say that even for the commentary series. For first volumes, I would choose:

Battered Love (Overtures to Biblical Theology)
Lord's Prayer: The Prayer of Integral Liberation
Grace for Grace: The Psalter and the Holy Fathers

I should admit, however, that Johanna Manley's work is so consist that it boils down to what your favorite Scripture reading is - the books are primarily patristic collections.

tom

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/214537#Comment_214537

[Y]

Like him or not, Leonardo Boff is a leader within Liberation theology. Therefore, we need to read his material.

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/214558#Comment_214558

I'm afraid our posts show why a collection might fare better. Each of us would put orders in for our favorite wants and skip the rest. Then no single title will garner enough support to move on to Pre-Pub. If it were an all-or-nothing proposal with lots of titles, maybe there would be enough gems included to coax each of us to place that order.

My specifc titles of interest would be:

Leonardo Boff
Introducing Liberation Theology
Ecclesiogenesis: The Base Communities Reinvent the Church

Renita Weems
Praise is What We Do! Worshiping God with Head to Feet

Asia Bible Commentary Series
Africa Bible Commentary

And these Works by Toyohiko Kagawa:

The religion of Jesus, and Love, the law of life 1931
Brotherhood Economics 1937
The Two Kingdoms 1941

And these works about Toyohiko Kagawa:

The Idea of Redemption in the Writings of Toyohiko Kagawa 1966 by K. Nishimura
The New Jerusalem: Aspects of Utopianism in the Thought of Kagawa Toyohiko George B Bikle Jr
http://www.doam.org/archiv/textea/friedenperson/mullins_kagawa.pdf

And these written by Kanzo Uchimura:

The Diary of a Japanese Convert 1895
Japan and the Japanese. Essays 1894
A Japanese Christian on Dr. Conway 1908
All 50 volumes in the collected works set

And these written about Kanzo Uchimura:

Culture and Religion in Japanese-American Relations: Essays on Uchimura Kanzo, 1861-1930 (Michigan Papers in Japanese Studies) 1981 by Ray Moore
The Japanese Political Thought Of Uchimura Kanzo, (1861-1930): Synthesizing Bushido, Christianity, Nationalism, and Liberalism 2008 by Willcock & MacKerras

Kagawa was a Japanese proponent of a different kind of Liberation theology.
Uchimura fostered the non-church movement; a backlash of sorts against "Americanized Christianity."

So to sum it all up into an alternative suggestion; maybe Logos can offer a series on "Influential Alternative Thinkers in Christianity". I don't know, it is just an idea.

Rene Atchley

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/214586#Comment_214586

I would certainly add some of the classics including Cone and Gustavo Gutierrez. While not quite up to date they still have the ability to leave majority theologians weak in the knees.

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/214588#Comment_214588

While not quite up to date they still have the ability to leave majority theologians weak in the knees.

It is not weakness in the knees, it is an alternative prayer posture! [;)]

Rene Atchley

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/214598#Comment_214598

Of the three pictures Matthew I'm sure both Cone and Gutierrez would have the most interest with a fully armed American solider using prayer during a war in a third world country. I get the idea though.

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/214602#Comment_214602

would have the most interest with a fully armed American solider using prayer during a war in a third world country.

I'd much rather face an armed soldier who believes he will give an account to God someday than one who fears neither God nor man.

Ephesians 6:12

Rene Atchley

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/214611#Comment_214611

would have the most interest with a fully armed American solider using prayer during a war in a third world country.

I'd much rather face an armed soldier who believes he will give an account to God someday than one who fears neither God nor man.

Ephesians 6:12

Realizing the nature of this forum what does that have to do with anything beside your politics? I have made a statement that is true to the Liberation Theologians that I would like to see as part of a package that I just might buy. However, I would be more than happy to spar with you if you want to find the web site where I hang.

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/214626#Comment_214626

Realizing the nature of this forum what does that have to do with anything beside your politics?

It has nothing to do with my politics and everything to do with theology.

There is a major difference between Kagawa and Gutierrez. Kagawa was a pacifist and spoke against all violence. As did Martin Luther King Jr. It is hard to talk about what Westerners call "Liberation Theology" without discussing violence and politics. It is part of the theology, you see. I had a front row seat for observation of "Liberation Theology" in action. There was a certain labor union in the USA that utilized a "flower fund" to funnel money for bullets & weapons to a communist insurgency that killed innocent Catholics (85%) and other (15%) Nicaraguans. I was the sole union organizer in the group of 24 that had a problem with "liberation" by violence. Fortunately the FBI put a stop to the movement of money. I'll take Kagawa's theology over Gutierrez's theology any day. That is why we truly NEED all of these influential people's writings under bright lights where the world can see what they promote.

Before Gustavo Gutierrez was born, Kagawa was already living in the slums with the extremely poor.
The criticism of a praying soldier would be hypocrisy on the part of Gutierrez in light of his justification of violence here.(linking blocked by Boston University, sorry.)

Another quote by Ernst Halperin p53 "Violence and the Latin American Revolutionaries" 1988 Editor: Michael Radu

"Gutierrez makes it clear that, in his view, acts of violence may be used to promote this "process of the liberation of man". He quotes , with approval, a statement by Latin American clerics demanding that "it must by all means be avoided that the unjust violence of the oppressors who support this 'evil system' be equated or confounded with the just violence of the oppressed who see themselves obliged to resort to it in order to achieve their liberation".

edit: just to be clear, the union's "flower fund" was supposed to help the children harmed and displaced by violence. I objected only after I discovered it was for weapons and violence ("just" or "unjust" violence did not compute in my theology.)

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/214640#Comment_214640

I think this thread has shown that there is a market for a broader set of resources for Logos. I hope we will see Logos planning accordingly.

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/214650#Comment_214650

I think this thread has shown that there is a market for a broader set of resources for Logos. I hope we will see Logos planning accordingly.

I've been mulling this over since my last post above. It is probably short-sighted of me to base my whole outlook on experiential data alone. I would honestly like to read more of these works. I doubt they will do anything more than solidify my position but I have been wrong several times before.

I would be interested in Pre-Pubs along this vein.

tom

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/215057#Comment_215057

I've been mulling this over since my last post above. It is probably short-sighted of me to base my whole outlook on experiential data alone. I would honestly like to read more of these works. I doubt they will do anything more than solidify my position but I have been wrong several times before.

I would be interested in Pre-Pubs along this vein.

While nothing should be judged solely on experience, experience is extremely important, and it is part of the Wesleyan Quadrilateral.

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/215065#Comment_215065

Another suggestion:

Cardinal Henri de Lubac

I don't think he can be classified as a "minority view" given the great influence he's had over the past century but an English translation of the Cardinal's writings in Logos would be most welcome.

I have a few CDs from Ignatius Press and although they are very affordable I would rather have these resources in Logos accessible format. (I have no idea what response the copyright holders might give but it is worth asking.)

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/215397#Comment_215397

Cardinal Henri de Lubac

[Y]

He's definitely not mainstream Logos[;)]

fgh

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/215397#Comment_215397

Another suggestion:

Cardinal Henri de Lubac

I'm pretty certain I've voted for him once or twice before, but I'm more than happy to do it again:

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/215453#Comment_215453

Another suggest thread I'm bumping for Manley https://feedback.faithlife.com/boards/logos-book-requests/posts/992 ... Pick your favorites to add to the new feedback site ...