Now that Microsoft and Nokia are partnering...

Now that Nokia has agreed to rely on Windows Phone 7 as its operating system of choice, will Logos put more effort into bringing the Logos mobile platform to Windows Phone 7?

Nokia owned almost 40% of the mobile market last year, with its Symbian operating system. Now that they will be switching over to Windows Phone 7, there are going to be a LOT of Windows phones out there.

I am waiting anxiously for a real Logos app for my Windows phone...it can't come anytime too soon!

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Reading an article http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/02/11/nokia_ditches_symbian_embraces_microsoft_windows_phone_for_new_handsets.html gleaned 2011 and 2012 are transition years for Nokia to implement Windows Phone in product lineup - from a business perspective, suspect Logos would like to see millions of Windows Phone 7 consumer purchases before embracing another mobile platform.

Another article http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/01/26/microsoft_ships_2_million_windows_phone_7_handsets_in_holiday_quarter.html mentions consumer satisfaction along with lower Windows Phone 7 shipments to carriers (compared to Windows Mobile 6.x in an earlier quarter). In same holiday quarter, Windows Phone 7 sales were small compared to Apple's 16.2 million iPhone sales.

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Charles Cherry

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/220367#Comment_220367

I don't put a lot of stock in articles about Microsoft from their chief competitor in the consumer market :-)

Windows Phone 7 was introduced into a market already nearly saturated with choices. I believe that over the next couple of years the choices will narrow as the major players consolidate.

Logos is already heavily invested in Windows technology - their core product is built using basically the same technology that drives the Windows Phone 7 operating system, so it's not like their developers have to learn anything new.

I've had a Windows phone since the beginning of the year (a Samsung Focus) and I love the WP7 OS - and the great thing about it is, it will only get better.

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Alan Charles Gielczyk

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/220383#Comment_220383

I am glad you like your windows phone but honestly you will never see Logos on that phone. Android is still in development and I suspect Blackberry would get developed before WP7. So when you next upgrade see where Logos is at with their mobile product and choose a platform accordingly.

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https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/220422#Comment_220422

Windows Phone 7 developer tools available => http://www.microsoft.com/express/phone/

Appears Windows Phone 7 can use Silverlight or XNA framework => http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff402528%28v=VS.92%29.aspx

Observation: Silverlight has a subset of .NET Framework (used by Logos 4) - has differences (e.g. multi-touch) compared to desktop implementation - not know if Windows Presentation Foundation (WPF) interface used by Logos portable to Windows Phone 7.

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Patrick S.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/220383#Comment_220383

[DISCLAIMER - 100% Mac & iOS user]

I don't put a lot of stock in articles about Microsoft from their chief competitor in the consumer market :-)

Wisely so. However those articles were not from Apple but an independent blog, and the blog was in turn quoting other independent sites.

I've had a Windows phone since the beginning of the year and I love the WP7 OS.

Great, honestly pleased that you are enjoying it, MS has put some work into it and it's good that there is choice. Of course one could (rightly) say that many times in the past Microsoft ensured that consumers were denied choice through their many shady monopolist dealings.

and the great thing about it is, it will only get better.

Well it would want to, MS is way behind the curve now, which is pretty woeful given the years they squandered.

a Samsung Focus

Ahhh... Samsung, one of the biggest copycats from the original idea creator.

Logos is already heavily invested in Windows technology.

Well no-one's perfect [;)]

I am glad you like your windows phone but honestly you will never see Logos on that phone. Android is still in development and I suspect Blackberry would get developed before WP7. So when you next upgrade see where Logos is at with their mobile product and choose a platform accordingly.

Would tend to agree, obviously Logos has to invest where they can see a return, and that is not currently Windows Phone X with it's single digit market share. Don't know if I would say "never", but some significant time. And with the fragmented direction Blackberry is headed that would surely be shaky also.

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No guesses as to KS4J's computer leanings... [H]

Mark Barnes

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/220422#Comment_220422

I am glad you like your windows phone but honestly you will never see Logos on that phone. Android is still in development and I suspect Blackberry would get developed before WP7. So when you next upgrade see where Logos is at with their mobile product and choose a platform accordingly.

You're overstating the case, Alan. You're right about Android, but I suspect WP7 will take it's place as the third horse in the race within the next year or so. I doubt Logos will launch a Blackberry version before a WP7 version. That said, Logos has a history of only developing product when there is a proven market - hence no Linux version, and only a relatively recent Mac/iPhone version. I'd be very surprised if a WP7 version was out in the next 18 months. However good WP7 is, it's simply starting from too far back. I bought the very first Windows Mobile device back in 2002, and loyally stuck with Windows until 2009. I - and very many others like me - are going to need a lot of persuading back.

Dan Francis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/220789#Comment_220789

I hope Logos does make a program for windows mobile, but http://biblia.com/ is nearly as useful as the Logos iphone APP. The APP is useful for offline reading, but only in the most general senses since search functions require the net. There is not yet notes or high-liting (both are coming but for now other than having limited access to offline reading Biblia is almost as useful. The work is in place for more features and we have been told they are coming but likely no searching offline and never the passage guide ever we have been told.

-Dan

Alan Charles Gielczyk

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/220798#Comment_220798

I am not overstating the case at all. I believe people are misunderstanding what I said. I said he will never see Logos on THAT phone, not WP7. I was speaking of the hardware now in his possession not the OS.

Charles Cherry

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/220801#Comment_220801

Up to this point I, and probably anyone else reading this thread, assumed we were speaking of the OS (which is what my post was originally about - not about any specific hardware.

And, if Logos comes out for an app for Windows Phone 7 OS, there is no reason whatsoever that it would not work on my Samsung Focus. I had my last phone (an HP handheld) for five years, and I see no reason why my current phone shouldn't last at least half that long.

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Charles Cherry

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/220798#Comment_220798

I like Biblia.com, but it doesn't cut the mustard for anything more than reading. It is impossible to do any Greek or Hebrew searching using it. The interlinears are useless on Biblia as well, because they don't display the original language, just the English.

Mike Childs

I am amazed at the passion that people have to their phone OS of choice. It is not enough that I like my OS better. I have to convince you that yours is inferior.

Reminds of theological debates I often hear.

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https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/220789#Comment_220789

Logos has a history of only developing product when there is a proven market

Wonder if Microsoft $'s => http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9209259/Microsoft_to_pay_out_billions_as_part_of_Nokia_deal can purchase enough market share for Logos application viability ?

Observation: Business Insider offers a list of winners and losers => http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-nokia-the-biggest-winners-and-losers-2011-2?slop=1

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Shawn Ostrander

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/220839#Comment_220839

Most of us have been using Microsoft longer than we have been using Logos (no offense intended, Mac users). Perhaps the question is not so much, "What OS will I use the Logos Bible Software on?" as it should be, "What Bible software will I use on my preferred OS?" I considered the idea of leaving Microsoft mobile OS for iOS just to get the Logos app. But everything I'm familiar with has been PC / Microsoft. It's too late to teach this old dog new tricks. On the other hand, Windows Phone 7 has finally got the mobile OS right, I endured years of trial & error, I won't quit on them now. So if Logos doesn't want a piece of the pie, there are other mobile apps hungry for their share of the market. Something else will come along. Not sure if that's worth 2 cents, but there, I said it.

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https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/246712#Comment_246712

Most of us have been using Microsoft longer than we have been using Logos (no offense intended, Mac users). Perhaps the question is not so much, "What OS will I use the Logos Bible Software on?" as it should be, "What Bible software will I use on my preferred OS?" I considered the idea of leaving Microsoft mobile OS for iOS just to get the Logos app. But everything I'm familiar with has been PC / Microsoft. It's too late to teach this old dog new tricks. On the other hand, Windows Phone 7 has finally got the mobile OS right, I endured years of trial & error, I won't quit on them now. So if Logos doesn't want a piece of the pie, there are other mobile apps hungry for their share of the market. Something else will come along. Not sure if that's worth 2 cents, but there, I said it.

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Bob Pritchett posted Please try the user survey! which includes link to http://www.logos.com/usersurvey that has a question about mobile device ownership, with a check box for Windows Phone 7 among other mobile devices.

For Windows Phone 7 owners, would be a good idea to participate in survey, which can help build a business case for Windows Phone 7 application.

Thankful for Logos availability on several platforms along with future expansion possibilities.

Ironic observation: Microsoft copied Graphical User Interface (GUI) from Apple's Mac OS, then modified implementation to be different after Apple sued about "Look & Feel " issues. An ongoing consequence is Microsoft tweaking GUI setup with every Windows version (remnants of Mac OS GUI copying can be seen in Windows: lower right corner for resizing). For Mac OS, looking forward to Lion that finally allows full screen application use (hiding menu bar) and ability to resize a window by dragging any edge.

Understand hard to teach old dogs new tricks (takes lots and lots of practice). At some point, preferred Windows version may be an older one with comfortable interface. Personally comfortable using many Mac OS and WIndows versions.

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