Windows Phone 7!
I just got my new Samsung Focus, and I love it. The WP7 OS works great, is very responsive, and the UI is very intuitive. The only thing missing is Logos!
Any word on a port to Windows Phone?
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Have you tried Biblia.com? The mobile version won't give you full functionality, but it does allow you to read a Logos book on the move. Have a look at the forum for it.
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Yes, I use it, but it doesn't have the functionality that I need. For example, it doesn't do interlinears, and the searching is rudimentary at best. It is basically just a reader at this point - although I do appreciate being able to read most of my books online.
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I have been a Logos user ever since the very early versions were released. At that time, Microsoft was the only platform available for the program although it's nice to see the growth of the company and it's availability on the Mac. I am, however, still a Windows user and also just purchased a WP7. I enjoy my phone but really would love to have the Logos app available as I've run it on an iPhone and it is fabulous. Unfortunately, biblia.com is a very weak substitute.
Please Logos, bring on a WP7 version!
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I'm also a longtime logos user, and just got a Windows 7 phone. I'm also waiting for logos to port over.
M. Lee Taylor
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I bought the Samsung Focus WP7 device the first day it was released and the phone has been great! I really enjoy using this phone. I too am anxiously waiting for Logos to release an app for the Windows Phone 7 devices. Actually I will put in a request for two of us. I know someone else who received a Windows Phone 7 device for Christmas and they also use Logos. I know they would also love to see a Logos Bible app for the phone as well.0 -
I too have a Samsung Focus... C'mon Logos... It's got Silverlight, shouldn't be that awful of a conversion
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I have a Windows Phone 7 too and it would be great if there was a compatible Logos app available.
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According to http://wp7applist.com the Windows Phone 7 Marketplace now has over 15,000 apps! C'mon Logos... catch the fever! : )
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Bob Pritchett posted Please try the user survey! which includes link to http://www.logos.com/usersurvey that has a question about mobile device ownership, with a check box for Windows Phone 7 among other mobile devices.
For Windows Phone 7 owners, would be a good idea to participate in survey, which can help build a business case for Windows Phone 7 application.
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Hey, what made you trade in your iPhone for a WP7? What works better on a WP7 and what works better on an iPhone?
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Hey Logos, I know you're watching the Windows Phone market... and as you can see, the OS is getting much better with each new release!
http://gizmodo.com/5813901/the-next-windows-phone-its-pretty-great
http://www.cnet.com/8301-17918_1-20065790-85.html
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/24/windows-phone-mango-and-bing-vision-hands-on/
Nokia's new hardware looks really impressive; when paired with an awesome OS like Windows Phone 7, it will rock.
Android phones are now the #1 attack vector for malware and viruses. I predict the ultimate demise of Android as a phone OS. In a couple of years, the two main phone OS offerings will be Apple and Microsoft, with Android trying desperately to hang on.
Can't wait to see Logos on WP7...
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Windows Phone passed the 25k app mark today, and the "Mango" update this fall looks amazing. Our whole family has now switched to Windows Phones, and there's no going back. We love 'em! For us, they're far superior to our experience with other platforms (iPhone, Android, etc.)
BUT... obviously what's missing is anative Logos app. C'mon, guys! Let's get on board this fast-moving train...
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I, too, am a long-time user of Logos / Libronix Bible Software. I, too, am a Windows Phone 7 user. I, too, would appreciate the development of a software program for Logos that would run on Windows Phone 7. Android has more than enough!
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"No man is greater than his prayer life. The pastor who is not praying is playing; the people who are not praying are straying." Leonard Ravenhill
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Windows 8 is a super-duper-hyper-drive version of Windows Phone 7 :
http://www.winrumors.com/windows-8-really-does-change-everything-its-mind-blowing/
Now I guess we'll eventually get Logos for Windows Phone because they will have to update their app to run in Windows 8.
[:D]
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I've been using the Laridian Pocket Bible for over a decade on various Windows Mobile devices (remember the iPaq - years before Apple put "i" in front of everything?). But Laridian has completely abandoned the Windows Mobile platform, and I really need to upgrade my four-year old Tilt to a new Windows Phone 7 Mango when they come out next month.
As a longtime Logos user, I'd really like to be able to use Logos on the Windows Phone 7 when I get it.
I hope there's some effort going into that. I haven't found anything for WP7 as powerful as Pocket Bible - Logos could change that.
Thanks,
Ernie
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Have you seen the new Nokia Lumia 800 that's coming out soon? It looks amazing and is sure to be the start of a big following for Windows Phone 7. Like many, I'm planning on buying it as soon as its out. I'd love to have a Logos app for it!
Pretty please?
Surely if we did a community pricing arrangement for the Windows Phone app you would get enough interest to push it over the line! I've already paid a lot for my books, what's a little more to be able to use it on my phone?
Thanks,
Andrew
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Charles Cherry said:
Yes, I use it, but it doesn't have the functionality that I need. For example, it doesn't do interlinears, and the searching is rudimentary at best. It is basically just a reader at this point - although I do appreciate being able to read most of my books online.
Charles try library.logos.com on your win7 phone browser
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Thanks for the reply on that - yet another Logos web site
But still, it's no where near the functionality that we have in a native app.The thing that gets me is that it's written in C# - a Microsoft language and it doesn't exist on a Microsoft platform. I'm sure the UI would have to be written from scratch, but surely it couldn't be as complicated as writing C# for the Mac through Mono.
I hope they may the call to make it. WP7 is definitely become a viable platform, as Nokia is showing us.
Dion
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Dion Houston said:
Thanks for the reply on that - yet another Logos web site
But still, it's no where near the functionality that we have in a native app.The thing that gets me is that it's written in C# - a Microsoft language and it doesn't exist on a Microsoft platform. I'm sure the UI would have to be written from scratch, but surely it couldn't be as complicated as writing C# for the Mac through Mono.
I hope they may the call to make it. WP7 is definitely become a viable platform, as Nokia is showing us.
Dion
The core of our product that reads and displays books is C++, which isn't currently supported on WP7. A port would be a big investment for us. We are watching this platform and the market closely, though.
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Ah OK thanks for the clarification that makes a lot of sense. I know Microsoft really tightened down the platform for WP7, perhaps too aggressively. I seem to remember it was for a similar reason that you weren't able to make a PocketPC version to complete with Laridian.
Well, please do look at the possibility of community pricing for a WP7 client. If we can at least partially subsidize the cost of migrating your unmanaged code, that could definitely be a win-win.
Dion
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Dave Dunkin said:Dion Houston said:
Thanks for the reply on that - yet another Logos web site
But still, it's no where near the functionality that we have in a native app.The thing that gets me is that it's written in C# - a Microsoft language and it doesn't exist on a Microsoft platform. I'm sure the UI would have to be written from scratch, but surely it couldn't be as complicated as writing C# for the Mac through Mono.
I hope they may the call to make it. WP7 is definitely become a viable platform, as Nokia is showing us.
Dion
The core of our product that reads and displays books is C++, which isn't currently supported on WP7. A port would be a big investment for us. We are watching this platform and the market closely, though.
Noticed Windows 8 Metro App development includes C++ => http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/br229583.aspx
Likewise learning Microsoft has strategic direction of combining phone and tablet into one eco-system, but Windows 8 is restricted to devices with 7" or larger screen => http://www.winrumors.com/ballmer-misquoted-microsoft-not-bringing-windows-8-down-to-the-phone/
Rumor about Metro app needed for Windows 8 ARM tablet => http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-to-drop-desktop-app-from-windows-8-arm-tablets/11325
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I am not privvy to Logos plans for phone support and I am a long time Windows user, but the world is changing.....if Logos has a lot of investment to properly support the Windows Phone, the market share trends have to be very worrisome:
Top Smartphone Platforms
3 Month Avg. Ending Jul. 2011 vs. 3 Month Avg. Ending Apr. 2011
Total U.S. Smartphone Subscribers Ages 13+
Source: comScore MobiLensShare (%) of Smartphone Subscribers Apr-11 Jul-11 Point Change Total Smartphone Subscribers 100.0% 100.0% N/A Google 36.4% 41.8% 5.4 Apple 26.0% 27.0% 1.0 RIM 25.7% 21.7% -4.0 Microsoft 6.7% 5.7% -1.0 Symbian 2.3% 1.9% -0.4 As this shows, Microsoft's market share is now under 6% as it continues to drop.
As for me, my next phone will NOT be a Windows Phone. I have had them obsolete me twice now, the latest a very nice Windows Mobile 6.5 phone that will no longer be updated or supported. No way to get to Windows 7 from Windows 6.5. Does Apple do that? Google?
Which is of course a major concern for a software vendor as well, as there is investment in supporting Windows Phone 7 even if you had a full functioning Windows 6.5 mobile phone app.
The world has spoken IMHO - Windows mobile share is shrinking by the month. I suspect Logos has bigger opportunities for its investment dollars. Just my .02...
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Well....
OK, I'm a fanboy, so of course I'm going to say "Windows Phone kicks butt and is going to take market share." Hopefully I'm right, but probably not very inspiring
That said, though. I've had PocketPC's for longer than they've had internet capability. So yes, I've gone through the pain of Microsoft (or the PocketPC company) not supporting future O/S like 6.1 to 6.5. However, I have a Samsung Focus 1st generation WP7 device I've updated to Mango, and no obvious sign it won't be able to do the next version.
But (and this said as a rabid Mac fan) Apple does this too, and I'm sure Google. My wife had an iPhone 3G. Guess what doesn't do many of the cool features of the more recent iOS? Yup, you guessed right. My wife's phone. In fact, one thing I like about Apple is they don't seem to worry a whole lot about older equipment. My OS X Lion box doesn't begin to support PPC apps. I understand (but have no experience) that Android phones you can't necessarily update with newer versions.
But that said, Logos has always been a RABID Microsoft shop. Former Microsoft employees work there, I believe Bob worked there. They've supported .NET since when most people hadn't heard of it. Much of Logos I understand is written in C#, which yes is theoretically standardized, but still basically a Microsoft language. Their Mac versions of software use Mono which is an open source implementation of .NET. If anyone should support a Microsoft mobile operating system, it's Logos.
But it was said that there's a core written in C++. That is completely understandable as Logos is a relatively old code base. But that code base eventually will probably need to be rewritten anyway. Why not do it now and support WP7?
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Dion Houston said:
My wife had an iPhone 3G. Guess what doesn't do many of the cool features of the more recent iOS? Yup, you guessed right. My wife's phone. In fact, one thing I like about Apple is they don't seem to worry a whole lot about older equipment.
Observation: iPhone 3G was released ~3.5 years ago and has been followed by 3 newer iPhone models: 3G, 4, & 4S that can freely upgrade to iOS 5. In contrast, upgrading Android OS tends to need newer device purchase => http://theunderstatement.com/post/11982112928/android-orphans-visualizing-a-sad-history-of-support
Dion Houston said:My OS X Lion box doesn't begin to support PPC apps.
Concur; Apple discontinued Mac models with PowerPC processors in August 2006 (almost 5 years before OS X Lion shipped without Rosetta to run PPC apps). By the way, July 2011 Mac Mini models can run Snow Leopard. Also, Snow Leopard server is licensed for use in virtual machines on Apple hardware. Other option is purchasing used Mac with PowerPC processor to run old PPC apps => http://www.powermax.com
Dion Houston said:Much of Logos I understand is written in C#, which yes is theoretically standardized, but still basically a Microsoft language. Their Mac versions of software use Mono which is an open source implementation of .NET.
Considering Logos 4 on Windows has technical challenges upgrading from .Net Framework 3.5 due to long standing unresolved issues in Windows Presentation Foundation (WPF), wonder about QT future for cross platform Logos use ? (common code base for Windows, Mac, and Linux that could keep existing .Net and Mono shared code base while revamping graphical user interface)
Font slowness => https://connect.microsoft.com/VisualStudio/feedback/details/637517/text-rendering-performance-can-be-much-slower-in-wpf4
Typography (has workaround) => https://connect.microsoft.com/VisualStudio/feedback/details/545057/ctl00_MasterBody_tsCustomerInteractionTabs#details
Dion Houston said:If anyone should support a Microsoft mobile operating system, it's Logos.
Provided Logos does not lose money supporting a Microsoft mobile operating system; likewise concur with monitoring mobile market changes; recognize potential for Microsoft mobile growth.
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Dion Houston said:
If anyone should support a Microsoft mobile operating system, it's Logos.
Well actually not - the problem is moving a .NET app to Win8/Metro again, MSFT is trying to get people to rewrite software for the "next greatest platform". There is no easy port to Metro that preserves all the .NET code.
In contrast, upgrading Android OS tends to need newer device purchase
Not true - to go xda-developers.com, you can get custom ROMs to continue to upgrade phones. That's what I did for a long time with my HTC Windows 6 phone, I got it all the way to 6.5.4 with no bloat before MSFT stopped the updates. Think of it, updates went to summer 2011 but no new updates were sent to the phone or made available - it took a third party community to do custom ROMs. Many custom ROMs exist in the Android world.
I too am waiting for Logos to upgrade to latest WPF version. I hate how the real estate has huge blank holes on the Home Page, thanks to a nice WPF bug...
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Dominick Sela said:Dion Houston said:
If anyone should support a Microsoft mobile operating system, it's Logos.
Well actually not - the problem is moving a .NET app to Win8/Metro again, MSFT is trying to get people to rewrite software for the "next greatest platform". There is no easy port to Metro that preserves all the .NET code.
Microsoft has an App Hub developer center for Windows Phone & XBox 360 => http://create.msdn.com/en-US/
Windows Phone 7 runs Silverlight touch enabled applications; quick start tutorial => http://create.msdn.com/en-US/education/catalog/article/wp7_jump_start
If Logos does develop a Silverlight application for Windows Phone 7, wonder about XBox 360 ?
Dominick Sela said:Looking at xda-developers.com noticed ~ 4 million registered users, a sizeable community that is substantially smaller than Android and Windows smartphone sales.
Likewise noted brick risk for installing an unofficial port => http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ice-Cream-Sandwich-Successfully-Ported-to-Original-Galaxy-Tab-Unofficial-236270.shtml
Depends on technical comfort level whether to root device and manually upgrade (likely not supported by manufacturer) or purchase new device with newer Android OS (whose support varies based on manufacturer and model).
Wikipedia article about HTC HD2 => http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_HD2 was informative; "illegal" was mentioned a couple times along with range of operating systems ported for use on HTC HD2, including Windows 95 and Windows Phone 7 plus Android variants.
Considering some Android manufacturers are having difficulties making a profit ($); can understand business desire for newer Android OS to include newer device purchase.
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Hi Dave, now that we know the new windows phone 8!supports C++ can we expect a new Logos app for the windows phone platform?
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Would anyone know whether Logos will be coming out on Windows Phone 8? If anyone could shed some light on this topic it would be really helpful. Thank you.
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